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• Where that amp is going

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  A while back I asked what to do with an old amp I decided to rebuild.  Now it’s being transformed. Original: two channels, ea. with two inputs, tone and volume, one channel has trem with depth and intensity.  Three 12A?7s, two 6V6s plus rect (6C4). Just FYI, it’s Class A or steenking close to it. There’s a very slight voltage variation, but I’m not sure if it’s squish or a tiny bit of sag, or both.  Need to put a scope on it.  (I won’t mess with the outputs til later, if at all.) New:    Channel 1: one input, volume control, no input       resistor, 220K plate resistor, 1500 + 1u on cathode,       .022 original output cap.  Good crunch.    Channel 2: one input, volume control, no input       resistor, 100K plate resistor, 2200 + .068u on cathode,       .1u output cap.  More headroom and bass.    PI: changed from direct coupled gain stage plus cathodyne       to 5C3 tweed Deluxe style I’m really happy with the changes so far. Channel 3 will be based on the Orange head preamps, with    volume, bass and treble.  That leaves one control free.    I haven’t decided whether to play with the Orange FAC    there, or leave the pot and use it as a MV or channel    3 post volume. If the amp is Class A, I’ll probably switch to SS rectification. Or I may just play with the bias, drive it (more) into AB, and see how that sounds. I’d forgotten there’s an extra hole for another 9 pin socket; at this point I don’t need it.  But who knows?  Before I’m done I may add more gain stages, resurrect the tremolo, add reverb, or who knows what?

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  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A while back I asked what to do with an old amp >I decided to rebuild.  Now it’s being transformed. >Original: two channels, ea. with two inputs, tone >and volume, one channel has trem with depth and >intensity.  Three 12A?7s, two 6V6s plus rect (6C4). >Just FYI, it’s Class A or steenking close to it. >There’s a very slight voltage variation, but I’m >not sure if it’s squish or a tiny bit of sag, or >both.  Need to put a scope on it.  (I won’t mess >with the outputs til later, if at all.) >New: >   Channel 1: one input, volume control, no input >      resistor, 220K plate resistor, 1500 + 1u on cathode, >      .022 original output cap.  Good crunch. >   Channel 2: one input, volume control, no input >      resistor, 100K plate resistor, 2200 + .068u on cathode, >      .1u output cap.  More headroom and bass. >   PI: changed from direct coupled gain stage plus cathodyne >      to 5C3 tweed Deluxe style >I’m really happy with the changes so far. >Channel 3 will be based on the Orange head preamps, with >   volume, bass and treble.  That leaves one control free. >   I haven’t decided whether to play with the Orange FAC >   there, or leave the pot and use it as a MV or channel >   3 post volume.

  The pot’s location could be used for something else.  Like maybe a rotary switch?  A DPDT switch, to do…  who knows what?  Maybe to switch between two different tone stacks in one of those channels. >If the amp is Class A, I’ll probably switch to SS rectification. >Or I may just play with the bias, drive it (more) into AB, and >see how that sounds. >I’d forgotten there’s an extra hole for another 9 pin socket; >at this point I don’t need it.  

  Ventilation! >But who knows?  Before I’m done >I may add more gain stages, resurrect the tremolo, add reverb, >or who knows what?

  I’m surprised that you want three channels. Pete — You call that limping? I can limp circles around you! –Yumi

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  <snip cool amp amp stuff> > I’d forgotten there’s an extra hole for another 9 pin socket; > at this point I don’t need it.  But who knows?  Before I’m done > I may add more gain stages, resurrect the tremolo, add reverb, > or who knows what?

  Had a late model Bogen cross the bench this week (yes, the name’s still around; this was an FET output mono power amp rack unit, ~300 watts RMS 70V unit from Korea; not *too* bad inside) and when I opened it I found an empty 9 pin miniature socket- for an accessory input transformer (had to laugh.) I considered disconnecting it from the PC board (Dremel, then cover my tracks with paint, then stick a bad 9A tube in it- the ultimate ‘tech joke’ for the next guy, but I’d have to wait years for the laugh.) Spare tube (? unwired socket); or maybe the ‘Mojo’ tube? Or maybe a buffer/amp stage to trigger a few resistive divider stepped neon bulbs on the front to respond to signal level (? ‘All tube VU indicator!’) How about (dare I say?) a tube buffered effects loop/board send? Or an internal tube Theramin (? almost not kidding here- you could do a VCA stage, not an oscillator stage, and have a collaspable whip antenna stick out the top of the amp, ready to sense the player’s proximity; the ultimate tube geeks’ wireless built-in volume pedal?) -Robert ‘Currently hooked on ‘Triangle’, and oh, 47 tube testers and still counting.’

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > A while back I asked what to do with an old amp > I decided to rebuild.  Now it’s being transformed. > Original: two channels, ea. with two inputs, tone > and volume, one channel has trem with depth and > intensity.  Three 12A?7s, two 6V6s plus rect (6C4). > Just FYI, it’s Class A or steenking close to it. > There’s a very slight voltage variation, but I’m > not sure if it’s squish or a tiny bit of sag, or > both.  Need to put a scope on it.  (I won’t mess > with the outputs til later, if at all.) > New: >    Channel 1: one input, volume control, no input >       resistor, 220K plate resistor, 1500 + 1u on cathode, >       .022 original output cap.  Good crunch. >    Channel 2: one input, volume control, no input >       resistor, 100K plate resistor, 2200 + .068u on cathode, >       .1u output cap.  More headroom and bass. >    PI: changed from direct coupled gain stage plus cathodyne >       to 5C3 tweed Deluxe style > I’m really happy with the changes so far. > Channel 3 will be based on the Orange head preamps, with >    volume, bass and treble.  That leaves one control free. >    I haven’t decided whether to play with the Orange FAC >    there, or leave the pot and use it as a MV or channel >    3 post volume. > If the amp is Class A, I’ll probably switch to SS rectification. > Or I may just play with the bias, drive it (more) into AB, and > see how that sounds. > I’d forgotten there’s an extra hole for another 9 pin socket; > at this point I don’t need it.  But who knows?  Before I’m done > I may add more gain stages, resurrect the tremolo, add reverb, > or who knows what?

  Thankfully, you aren’t a plastic surgeon..! ! ! gtski (just kidding of course..! !)

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  PMG, tied to the tracks, said: … > I’m surprised that you want three channels.

  I don’t, especially…

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  gtski, tied to the tracks, said: … > Thankfully, you aren’t a plastic surgeon..! ! !

  Yeah, every time Mrs. Morton goes to sleep, we wander in with the anesthetic and try something new– at random. “My dear Doctor O’Neal, why do I have three ears, one of which obviously came from a bat?”

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  > gtski, tied to the tracks, said: > … > Thankfully, you aren’t a plastic surgeon..! ! ! > Yeah, every time Mrs. Morton goes to sleep, > we wander in with the anesthetic and try > something new– at random. > “My dear Doctor O’Neal, why do I have three > ears, one of which obviously came from a bat?”

  http://www.modifiedmind.com/rt/tooextreme.html Anybody you know?

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  Jeff E, tied to the tracks, said: … > http://www.modifiedmind.com/rt/tooextreme.html > Anybody you know?

  8^) I do know a guy who’s so tattooed he’s been on TV and in magazines.  And I’ve passed Austin’s most famous tattooed man on the street, but never met him.  He’s been on national TV.  His ears are guage 00000 now or something.

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  > Jeff E, tied to the tracks, said: > … > http://www.modifiedmind.com/rt/tooextreme.html > Anybody you know? > 8^) > I do know a guy who’s so tattooed he’s been on > TV and in magazines.  And I’ve passed Austin’s > most famous tattooed man on the street, but > never met him.  He’s been on national TV.  His > ears are guage 00000 now or something.

  You are typing of the Enigma and his wife Katsen. They can be found here http://www.humanmarvels.com/gallery/galleryViewGallery/9/0/ their songs here http://www.humanmarvels.com/content/145/1/ tour schedule here http://www.humanmarvels.com/content/137/1/ "The Enigma is a man tattooed to look like a living blue puzzle. He came up with this concept after a few years of being a geek in a traveling modern freak show. In addition to his tattoos, the Enigma also has large lip and ear piercings, body piercings and horn implants on his forehead. Helping him with this transformation is his tattooist wife Katzen. She put the outline of the puzzle pieces on him initially. Both she and other artists have been doing the fill work over the years. At the Amsterdam Tattoo Convention in 1995, the Enigma set a world record by having 22 different tattoo artist work on him simultaneously. Now THAT’S endurance…. Katzen herself has full body tattoos of stylized tiger stripes and performs with her husband as well as her tattoo artist work." I’ve seen them around town, mainly at Cafe Mundi on east 5th.  I have to admit that Katzen’s whisker implants creep me out a little bit, especially when she does her cat moves to freak out the bewildered public – people like me. It’s like you have to look because no one does that to themselves unless they want attention but then you start crossing personal boundries and it gets weird. I guess that’s part of the game. They are currently working on the soundtrack for the film "Firecracker" starring Dennis Hopper, and have appeared on the soundtrack for "PUNKS" starring Jessica Alba. I wonder what kind of amps they use????

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  > Jeff E, tied to the tracks, said: > … > http://www.modifiedmind.com/rt/tooextreme.html > Anybody you know? > 8^) > I do know a guy who’s so tattooed he’s been on > TV and in magazines.  And I’ve passed Austin’s > most famous tattooed man on the street, but > never met him.  He’s been on national TV.  His > ears are guage 00000 now or something.

  Back in the early 80’s when I was in grad school I had an encounter that might seem tame by today’s standards, but it gave me the chills at the time. It was a Sunday evening in the winter, and I went down to the supermarket for some groceries.  The store was nearly deserted due to the late hour and cold weather.  I was nearing the end of an aisle when around the corner came a pair that totally startled me: a man and woman both sporting facial evtreme tattoos. He was a white guy with a black batwing mask tattooed around his eyes, wearing knee breeches and a beret, and carrying a walking stick with screws sticking out all up and down the shaft.  She was black, with cat whiskers tattooed on and dressed in similarly bizarre fashion.  They had an overall hostile demeanor, and I just kept on walking.  Later at the checkstand I remarked about the two costume party refugees, and the checker told me they were really tattooed, and that they came in every week around that time because it was quiet, and they liked to avoid people as much as possible. (This was in the days before 24 hour operations.) Some months later a piece appeared about them in the student rag, complete with pictures.  They had named themselves Storm and Flame Alligator.  The facial tattoos had come about during an acid experience, when he decided to tattoo his face with india ink.  He "just started punching it in with a needle."  The initial result was less than professional, so he had a pro redo the work later on.  I’m not sure now how her whiskers came about, but acid must have had something to do with it.  Who’d have known it would become a trend? Jeff

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• George W.Bush is the god of the guitar !

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  So vote for him, because John Kerry is too dumb to play a guitar, he even can’t play a flute.

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  > So vote for him, because John Kerry is too dumb to play a guitar, he > even can’t play a flute.

  Hmm, who’s playing bass in this one? http://www.kerryrocks.com/images/Kerry-and-The-Electras.jpg The only thing Bush plays is the public.

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  > So vote for him, because John Kerry is too dumb to play a guitar, he > even can’t play a flute.

  Hi, I thought Bush was tone deaf. Only can listen to his rich friends for them. Deaf to ordinary Joe who lost his job and has no health care coverage for his family. Seniors who has to choose whether to eat or buy prescription drugs from Canada. Struggling single mothers/children. Deaf to global warming ignoring Kyoto accord which even Russia is with. You’re trolling, right? Tony

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  Bush is Punk? Republican punk rockers. In his knee-high Dr Martens and with his head shaved, Michale Graves is the Bush-friendly face of punk rock. He is the front man for the band Gotham Road, which has just kicked off its US tour. On stage he belts out angry, obscure lyrics, but offstage he is also known for his conservative rants and raves. "The leftist radical agenda seems to be resonating loudly from within pop culture and we are at war on many different levels," he wrote in one of his columns at conservativepunk.com – one of several new web sites for Republican punk rockers. Gotham Road is one a roster of bands who are anti-anti-establishment – though they represent a small percentage of the punk scene. They are not raging against the machine – they are raging for it. Although Graves does not fit the image of a young Republican, he makes no apologies for his politics. Core values "I support this government because of our president’s core values," Graves says. "I think he’s bringing the country in a right direction. "Is there a better man for the job? There definitely might be, but from the candidates that we have to choose from in America right now, there’s no better man than George Bush." Nick Rizzuto is another self-styled conservative punk, and the founder of conservativepunk.com. The 22-year-old is a fan of the New York City punk band Bouncing Souls, and has the tattoos to prove it. But he identifies himself as capitalist punk, railing against the left. "I don’t find anything punk about promoting higher taxes and more handouts to people," Rizzuto says. "I would see the conservative viewpoint as being more punk than a liberal one, because a conservative viewpoint places a lot of emphasis on personal responsibility." Anti-establishment When Punk Rock emerged in the 1970s, it identified with youthful rage and rebellion. It was an anti-establishment subculture whose politics often tended to the left. The Sex Pistols embraced nihilism and anarchy, whilst bands like The Clash espoused leftist views. It is not surprising that most punk bands in America today continue that legacy. Around 200 liberal and left-leaning bands, including crossover groups like Green Day and Foo Fighters, have teamed up under the banner of punkvoter.com with the goal of ousting President Bush in the November election. Punkvoter has just released a compilation album of punk bands who are out to attack George W Bush as a liar with their music. Not to be left out, conservative punks also want to inspire their share of the youth vote. Some critics see the emergence of conservative punk as a symptom of just how polarised the US has become in this election year. "This country is as politically attuned as it has ever been," says Anthony DeCurtis, a rock critic for Rolling Stone Magazine. "Often there’s a kind of wilful lack of awareness about political issues in the United States – a sense of ‘What difference does it make?’ "But that attitude does not really seem to be applying right now and punk rock is reflecting that." There is little precedent in the US for Republican punk rock, though there are some exceptions. Ramones Johnny Ramone, the guitarist for The Ramones, has fiercely supported the Republican Party for years. When the Ramones were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002, Johnny took to the microphone to offer his thanks, saying "God Bless President Bush, and God Bless America." For many the idea of George W Bush being supported by punk rockers is a contradiction in terms. But for others, there is something about this phenomenon that makes a perverse kind of sense because of the Bush administration’s hawkish posture. "In a lot of ways in the United States, the Republicans have gotten much more punk rock than the Democrats," DeCurtis says. "The right has become more punk than the left : they’re much more pugnacious, much more aggressive and much more forceful about putting out their ideas and drawing a line in the sand." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1135314/posts

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  > So vote for him, because John Kerry is too dumb to play a guitar, he > even can’t play a flute.

  FYI: John Kerry played bass in a band.  Actual pics, info, mp3: http://www.kerryrocks.com/ Bush got drunk and arrested, wrecked cars, dodged the draft, reputedly did cocaine…  But I don’t think he ever played in a band.

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  Conservative punks? What a *huge* oxymoron!

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Bush is Punk? Republican punk rockers. > In his knee-high Dr Martens and with his head shaved, Michale Graves is > the Bush-friendly face of punk rock. He is the front man for the band > Gotham Road, which has just kicked off its US tour. On stage he belts > out angry, obscure lyrics, but offstage he is also known for his > conservative rants and raves. > "The leftist radical agenda seems to be resonating loudly from within > pop culture and we are at war on many different levels," he wrote in > one of his columns at conservativepunk.com – one of several new web > sites for Republican punk rockers. > Gotham Road is one a roster of bands who are anti-anti-establishment – > though they represent a small percentage of the punk scene. They are > not raging against the machine – they are raging for it. > Although Graves does not fit the image of a young Republican, he makes > no apologies for his politics. > Core values > "I support this government because of our president’s core values," > Graves says. "I think he’s bringing the country in a right direction. > "Is there a better man for the job? There definitely might be, but from > the candidates that we have to choose from in America right now, > there’s no better man than George Bush." > Nick Rizzuto is another self-styled conservative punk, and the founder > of conservativepunk.com. The 22-year-old is a fan of the New York City > punk band Bouncing Souls, and has the tattoos to prove it. But he > identifies himself as capitalist punk, railing against the left. > "I don’t find anything punk about promoting higher taxes and more > handouts to people," Rizzuto says. "I would see the conservative > viewpoint as being more punk than a liberal one, because a conservative > viewpoint places a lot of emphasis on personal responsibility." > Anti-establishment > When Punk Rock emerged in the 1970s, it identified with youthful rage > and rebellion. It was an anti-establishment subculture whose politics > often tended to the left. The Sex Pistols embraced nihilism and > anarchy, whilst bands like The Clash espoused leftist views. > It is not surprising that most punk bands in America today continue > that legacy. Around 200 liberal and left-leaning bands, including > crossover groups like Green Day and Foo Fighters, have teamed up under > the banner of punkvoter.com with the goal of ousting President Bush in > the November election. > Punkvoter has just released a compilation album of punk bands who are > out to attack George W Bush as a liar with their music. > Not to be left out, conservative punks also want to inspire their share > of the youth vote. Some critics see the emergence of conservative punk > as a symptom of just how polarised the US has become in this election > year. > "This country is as politically attuned as it has ever been," says > Anthony DeCurtis, a rock critic for Rolling Stone Magazine. "Often > there’s a kind of wilful lack of awareness about political issues in > the United States – a sense of ‘What difference does it make?’ "But > that attitude does not really seem to be applying right now and punk > rock is reflecting that." > There is little precedent in the US for Republican punk rock, though > there are some exceptions. > Ramones > Johnny Ramone, the guitarist for The Ramones, has fiercely supported > the Republican Party for years. When the Ramones were inducted into the > Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002, Johnny took to the microphone to > offer his thanks, saying "God Bless President Bush, and God Bless > America." > For many the idea of George W Bush being supported by punk rockers is a > contradiction in terms. But for others, there is something about this > phenomenon that makes a perverse kind of sense because of the Bush > administration’s hawkish posture. > "In a lot of ways in the United States, the Republicans have gotten > much more punk rock than the Democrats," DeCurtis says. "The right has > become more punk than the left : they’re much more pugnacious, much > more aggressive and much more forceful about putting out their ideas > and drawing a line in the sand." > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1135314/posts

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  Probably losers looking for a chance to get a foot in the door with clearchannel

  : Conservative punks? What a *huge* oxymoron! :

  : > Bush is Punk? Republican punk rockers. : > : > In his knee-high Dr Martens and with his head shaved, Michale Graves is : > the Bush-friendly face of punk rock. He is the front man for the band : > Gotham Road, which has just kicked off its US tour. On stage he belts : > out angry, obscure lyrics, but offstage he is also known for his : > conservative rants and raves. : > : > "The leftist radical agenda seems to be resonating loudly from within : > pop culture and we are at war on many different levels," he wrote in : > one of his columns at conservativepunk.com – one of several new web : > sites for Republican punk rockers. : > : > Gotham Road is one a roster of bands who are anti-anti-establishment – : > though they represent a small percentage of the punk scene. They are : > not raging against the machine – they are raging for it. : > : > Although Graves does not fit the image of a young Republican, he makes : > no apologies for his politics. : > : > Core values : > : > "I support this government because of our president’s core values," : > Graves says. "I think he’s bringing the country in a right direction. : > "Is there a better man for the job? There definitely might be, but from : > the candidates that we have to choose from in America right now, : > there’s no better man than George Bush." : > : > Nick Rizzuto is another self-styled conservative punk, and the founder : > of conservativepunk.com. The 22-year-old is a fan of the New York City : > punk band Bouncing Souls, and has the tattoos to prove it. But he : > identifies himself as capitalist punk, railing against the left. : > : > "I don’t find anything punk about promoting higher taxes and more : > handouts to people," Rizzuto says. "I would see the conservative : > viewpoint as being more punk than a liberal one, because a conservative : > viewpoint places a lot of emphasis on personal responsibility." : > : > Anti-establishment : > : > When Punk Rock emerged in the 1970s, it identified with youthful rage : > and rebellion. It was an anti-establishment subculture whose politics : > often tended to the left. The Sex Pistols embraced nihilism and : > anarchy, whilst bands like The Clash espoused leftist views. : > : > It is not surprising that most punk bands in America today continue : > that legacy. Around 200 liberal and left-leaning bands, including : > crossover groups like Green Day and Foo Fighters, have teamed up under : > the banner of punkvoter.com with the goal of ousting President Bush in : > the November election. : > : > Punkvoter has just released a compilation album of punk bands who are : > out to attack George W Bush as a liar with their music. : > : > Not to be left out, conservative punks also want to inspire their share : > of the youth vote. Some critics see the emergence of conservative punk : > as a symptom of just how polarised the US has become in this election : > year. : > : > "This country is as politically attuned as it has ever been," says : > Anthony DeCurtis, a rock critic for Rolling Stone Magazine. "Often : > there’s a kind of wilful lack of awareness about political issues in : > the United States – a sense of ‘What difference does it make?’ "But : > that attitude does not really seem to be applying right now and punk : > rock is reflecting that." : > : > There is little precedent in the US for Republican punk rock, though : > there are some exceptions. : > : > Ramones : > : > Johnny Ramone, the guitarist for The Ramones, has fiercely supported : > the Republican Party for years. When the Ramones were inducted into the : > Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2002, Johnny took to the microphone to : > offer his thanks, saying "God Bless President Bush, and God Bless : > America." : > : > For many the idea of George W Bush being supported by punk rockers is a : > contradiction in terms. But for others, there is something about this : > phenomenon that makes a perverse kind of sense because of the Bush : > administration’s hawkish posture. : > : > "In a lot of ways in the United States, the Republicans have gotten : > much more punk rock than the Democrats," DeCurtis says. "The right has : > become more punk than the left : they’re much more pugnacious, much : > more aggressive and much more forceful about putting out their ideas : > and drawing a line in the sand." : > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1135314/posts : > : :

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  : : > So vote for him, because John Kerry is too dumb to play a guitar, he : > even can’t play a flute. : : FYI: : : John Kerry played bass in a band.  Actual pics, info, mp3: : http://www.kerryrocks.com/ : : Bush got drunk and arrested, wrecked cars, dodged the draft, reputedly : did cocaine…  But I don’t think he ever played in a band.   sure he did, only whenever it came time to perform he was awol

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  > So vote for him, because John Kerry is too dumb to play a guitar, he > even can’t play a flute. > FYI: > John Kerry played bass in a band.  Actual pics, info, mp3: > http://www.kerryrocks.com/ > Bush got drunk and arrested, wrecked cars, dodged the draft, reputedly > did cocaine…  But I don’t think he ever played in a band.

  I had to chuckle at that one… reminds me of how many… SO many, friends and people I knew in college did drugs… lots, and LOTS of drugs… drank, partied… had car wrecks, ski wrecks, played guitar, had boat wrecks, fell of horses, fell off motorcycles, crashed hang-gliders, dodged the draft,  GOT drafted, played more guitar, did more drugs, drank even more,  got wounded, came back, drank some more, played in bands, did more drugs… ….and lots of them eventually finished college, went to grad school, some got Phd’s, and got married, had kids, worked hard , became successfull, some lost it all and became successfull again, and have nice homes and grandkids on the way…. and some still play guitar. Even the ones that didn’t finish college have done well… some exceedingly well… some, flat out unbelievably well… I think most every one I went to college with… and those I grew up with who DIDN’T go to college, regardless of their life history to date, would make a good president of the USA . But,  not ONE of them ever tried to cheese his/her way into any "glory"…  I know guys  who have recieved Purple Hearts,  not ONE of the them asked for it.   Something about that just stinks up the place…. gtski

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  because John Kerry is too dumb to play a guitar >> John Kerry can play a guitar. Probably better than you.

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• BIG!

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  I got a call from Seymour Duncan yesterday. It seems that one of my customers had used the box his tube shipment had arrived in to send some pickups to SD, and had inadvertently left his invoice in the bottom of the box.  Seymour called me to ask what he should do with the invoice. I said give me the dude’s customer number and then shitcan it – I’ll call him up and tell him to be more careful.  (His credit card number was on it.) Once Seymour found out I was the Great and Powerful Lord Valve, we began to shoot the shit.  He asked if I was familiar with the "BIG" series on the Discovery Channel.  I said I’d seen the promos, but not the show itself. One of the "BIG" items which will be featured on the show is an enormous red guitar.  (And a gigantic popcorn popper.  ???)  The idea behind the show is to feature huge versions of ordinary items – which must be FULLY FUNCTIONAL.  It seems Seymour was tapped to wind the pickups for the Paul Bunyan- sized geetah – which weigh almost 160 pounds each! He had to build a special winding machine to do them with.  He said when the thing was up to speed it sounded like a helicopter. I don’t know when that particular show is going to air, but it sounds like it’ll be a gas to watch.  Keep your eyeballs peeled for it.  ;-) Lord Valve Contemplating a Three Storey B-3…

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  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I got a call from Seymour Duncan yesterday. > It seems that one of my customers had used > the box his tube shipment had arrived in to > send some pickups to SD, and had inadvertently > left his invoice in the bottom of the box.  Seymour > called me to ask what he should do with the invoice. > I said give me the dude’s customer number and > then shitcan it – I’ll call him up and tell him to be > more careful.  (His credit card number was on it.) > Once Seymour found out I was the Great and Powerful > Lord Valve, we began to shoot the shit.  He asked if > I was familiar with the "BIG" series on the Discovery > Channel.  I said I’d seen the promos, but not the > show itself. > One of the "BIG" items which will be featured on > the show is an enormous red guitar.  (And a gigantic > popcorn popper.  ???)  The idea behind the show > is to feature huge versions of ordinary items – which > must be FULLY FUNCTIONAL.  It seems Seymour > was tapped to wind the pickups for the Paul Bunyan- > sized geetah – which weigh almost 160 pounds each! > He had to build a special winding machine to do them > with.  He said when the thing was up to speed it > sounded like a helicopter. > I don’t know when that particular show is going to > air, but it sounds like it’ll be a gas to watch.  Keep > your eyeballs peeled for it.  ;-) > Lord Valve > Contemplating a Three Storey B-3…

  Ah, a B-3 with an elevator and rest room facilities. I’m game. Ed Cregger

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I got a call from Seymour Duncan yesterday. >It seems that one of my customers had used >the box his tube shipment had arrived in to >send some pickups to SD, and had inadvertently >left his invoice in the bottom of the box.  Seymour >called me to ask what he should do with the invoice. >I said give me the dude’s customer number and >then shitcan it – I’ll call him up and tell him to be >more careful.  (His credit card number was on it.) >Once Seymour found out I was the Great and Powerful >Lord Valve, we began to shoot the shit.  He asked if >I was familiar with the "BIG" series on the Discovery >Channel.  I said I’d seen the promos, but not the >show itself. >One of the "BIG" items which will be featured on >the show is an enormous red guitar.  (And a gigantic >popcorn popper.  ???)  The idea behind the show >is to feature huge versions of ordinary items – which >must be FULLY FUNCTIONAL.  It seems Seymour >was tapped to wind the pickups for the Paul Bunyan- >sized geetah – which weigh almost 160 pounds each! >He had to build a special winding machine to do them >with.  He said when the thing was up to speed it >sounded like a helicopter. >I don’t know when that particular show is going to >air, but it sounds like it’ll be a gas to watch.  Keep >your eyeballs peeled for it.  ;-) >Lord Valve >Contemplating a Three Storey B-3…

  That’s so they’ll have to move the venue to the B3 instead of you having to haul the B3 to the venue. Then again, it wouldn’t be that much worse than moving a regular B3. Ron

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  snore…yawn…zzzzzzzzzzz. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I got a call from Seymour Duncan yesterday. > It seems that one of my customers had used > the box his tube shipment had arrived in to > send some pickups to SD, and had inadvertently > left his invoice in the bottom of the box.  Seymour > called me to ask what he should do with the invoice. > I said give me the dude’s customer number and > then shitcan it – I’ll call him up and tell him to be > more careful.  (His credit card number was on it.) > Once Seymour found out I was the Great and Powerful > Lord Valve, we began to shoot the shit.  He asked if > I was familiar with the "BIG" series on the Discovery > Channel.  I said I’d seen the promos, but not the > show itself. > One of the "BIG" items which will be featured on > the show is an enormous red guitar.  (And a gigantic > popcorn popper.  ???)  The idea behind the show > is to feature huge versions of ordinary items – which > must be FULLY FUNCTIONAL.  It seems Seymour > was tapped to wind the pickups for the Paul Bunyan- > sized geetah – which weigh almost 160 pounds each! > He had to build a special winding machine to do them > with.  He said when the thing was up to speed it > sounded like a helicopter. > I don’t know when that particular show is going to > air, but it sounds like it’ll be a gas to watch.  Keep > your eyeballs peeled for it.  ;-) > Lord Valve > Contemplating a Three Storey B-3…

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  >I got a call from Seymour Duncan yesterday. >It seems that one of my customers had used >the box his tube shipment had arrived in to >send some pickups to SD, and had inadvertently >left his invoice in the bottom of the box.  Seymour >called me to ask what he should do with the invoice. >I said give me the dude’s customer number and >then shitcan it – I’ll call him up and tell him to be >more careful.  (His credit card number was on it.)

  You’ll have to see if you can convince your invoice program to only print the last four numbers of credit card numbers on the paper copy that you send with the order. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Once Seymour found out I was the Great and Powerful >Lord Valve, we began to shoot the shit.  He asked if >I was familiar with the "BIG" series on the Discovery >Channel.  I said I’d seen the promos, but not the >show itself. >One of the "BIG" items which will be featured on >the show is an enormous red guitar.  (And a gigantic >popcorn popper.  ???)  The idea behind the show >is to feature huge versions of ordinary items – which >must be FULLY FUNCTIONAL.  It seems Seymour >was tapped to wind the pickups for the Paul Bunyan- >sized geetah – which weigh almost 160 pounds each! >He had to build a special winding machine to do them >with.  He said when the thing was up to speed it >sounded like a helicopter. >I don’t know when that particular show is going to >air, but it sounds like it’ll be a gas to watch.  Keep >your eyeballs peeled for it.  ;-)

  I’ve seen those promos, but I’ve been ignoring the show.  I didn’t realize that everything on the show was functional.  Their promo shows a giant blender, which seemed stupid, but I didn’t realize that it works. I don’t know what night Big is shown on, but I’ll have to figure out when they’re showing that eppisode.  I’d like to see that guitar. Here’s a far less impresive big guitar, because it doesn’t function. The Cheatar, which is based on The Cheat: http://www.homestarrunner.com/cheatar.html (click on the door after Strongbad quits talking) Who’s The Cheat?: http://www.homestarrunner.com/vcr_cheat.html Again, the Cheatar doesn’t work! >Lord Valve >Contemplating a Three Storey B-3…

  The Leslie will be amazing!  But eventually Howie will build a version of it for people who like to "get small". Pete — Time is an abstract concept created by carbon based life forms to monitor their on going decay. –Thundercles

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  This coming Tuesday, at 11:00PM Central Time, on the Discovery Channel: Big! Electric Guitar 60 mins.   A 13-foot-long playable electric guitar is constructed, with help from Seymour Duncan and Matty Baratto. Host: Frank Payne. I’ll have to try to remember to tape that. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I got a call from Seymour Duncan yesterday. >It seems that one of my customers had used >the box his tube shipment had arrived in to >send some pickups to SD, and had inadvertently >left his invoice in the bottom of the box.  Seymour >called me to ask what he should do with the invoice. >I said give me the dude’s customer number and >then shitcan it – I’ll call him up and tell him to be >more careful.  (His credit card number was on it.) >Once Seymour found out I was the Great and Powerful >Lord Valve, we began to shoot the shit.  He asked if >I was familiar with the "BIG" series on the Discovery >Channel.  I said I’d seen the promos, but not the >show itself. >One of the "BIG" items which will be featured on >the show is an enormous red guitar.  (And a gigantic >popcorn popper.  ???)  The idea behind the show >is to feature huge versions of ordinary items – which >must be FULLY FUNCTIONAL.  It seems Seymour >was tapped to wind the pickups for the Paul Bunyan- >sized geetah – which weigh almost 160 pounds each! >He had to build a special winding machine to do them >with.  He said when the thing was up to speed it >sounded like a helicopter. >I don’t know when that particular show is going to >air, but it sounds like it’ll be a gas to watch.  Keep >your eyeballs peeled for it.  ;-) >Lord Valve >Contemplating a Three Storey B-3…

  – Time is an abstract concept created by carbon based life forms to monitor their on going decay. –Thundercles

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  Screw the guitar, I WANT THE AMP!!!: From the press release: To test the "BIG!" guitar, the team hooked it up to a massive 36 x 10 650- watt Ampeg amplifier. The head houses 22 vacuum tubes. The amp weighs 950 pounds. After guitar virtuoso Peter Frampton tests it out with an enormous stainless steel slide, he, along with Baratto and Duncan provide fans with an extended jam session of massive proportions.

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  Where are you gonna get those big toobs?

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I got a call from Seymour Duncan yesterday. > It seems that one of my customers had used > the box his tube shipment had arrived in to > send some pickups to SD, and had inadvertently > left his invoice in the bottom of the box.  Seymour > called me to ask what he should do with the invoice. > I said give me the dude’s customer number and > then shitcan it – I’ll call him up and tell him to be > more careful.  (His credit card number was on it.) > Once Seymour found out I was the Great and Powerful > Lord Valve, we began to shoot the shit.  He asked if > I was familiar with the "BIG" series on the Discovery > Channel.  I said I’d seen the promos, but not the > show itself. > One of the "BIG" items which will be featured on > the show is an enormous red guitar.  (And a gigantic > popcorn popper.  ???)  The idea behind the show > is to feature huge versions of ordinary items – which > must be FULLY FUNCTIONAL.  It seems Seymour > was tapped to wind the pickups for the Paul Bunyan- > sized geetah – which weigh almost 160 pounds each! > He had to build a special winding machine to do them > with.  He said when the thing was up to speed it > sounded like a helicopter. > I don’t know when that particular show is going to > air, but it sounds like it’ll be a gas to watch.  Keep > your eyeballs peeled for it.  ;-) > Lord Valve > Contemplating a Three Storey B-3…

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  Harm Central article about this guitar: http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Big-Guitar.html Click on the pic to see a closeup view of the thing. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I got a call from Seymour Duncan yesterday. >It seems that one of my customers had used >the box his tube shipment had arrived in to >send some pickups to SD, and had inadvertently >left his invoice in the bottom of the box.  Seymour >called me to ask what he should do with the invoice. >I said give me the dude’s customer number and >then shitcan it – I’ll call him up and tell him to be >more careful.  (His credit card number was on it.) >Once Seymour found out I was the Great and Powerful >Lord Valve, we began to shoot the shit.  He asked if >I was familiar with the "BIG" series on the Discovery >Channel.  I said I’d seen the promos, but not the >show itself. >One of the "BIG" items which will be featured on >the show is an enormous red guitar.  (And a gigantic >popcorn popper.  ???)  The idea behind the show >is to feature huge versions of ordinary items – which >must be FULLY FUNCTIONAL.  It seems Seymour >was tapped to wind the pickups for the Paul Bunyan- >sized geetah – which weigh almost 160 pounds each! >He had to build a special winding machine to do them >with.  He said when the thing was up to speed it >sounded like a helicopter. >I don’t know when that particular show is going to >air, but it sounds like it’ll be a gas to watch.  Keep >your eyeballs peeled for it.  ;-) >Lord Valve >Contemplating a Three Storey B-3…

  – Time is an abstract concept created by carbon based life forms to monitor their on going decay. –Thundercles

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  "Elvis Kabong discusses the NITWIT John Kerry with his usual uneducated

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  I taped the show on Tuesday night, and it took me a while to watch the tape.  Methods used constructing the guitar and pickup were interesting, particularly since they supposedly did the whole thing in only a few days. Watching Seymour wind the giant pickup bobbins was a blast. The guy hosting the show, Frank Payne was the weakest part.  He may be just what a show about building big things needs, but that’ll be the last BIG! show I waste my time watching. Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I got a call from Seymour Duncan yesterday. >It seems that one of my customers had used >the box his tube shipment had arrived in to >send some pickups to SD, and had inadvertently >left his invoice in the bottom of the box.  Seymour >called me to ask what he should do with the invoice. >I said give me the dude’s customer number and >then shitcan it – I’ll call him up and tell him to be >more careful.  (His credit card number was on it.) >Once Seymour found out I was the Great and Powerful >Lord Valve, we began to shoot the shit.  He asked if >I was familiar with the "BIG" series on the Discovery >Channel.  I said I’d seen the promos, but not the >show itself. >One of the "BIG" items which will be featured on >the show is an enormous red guitar.  (And a gigantic >popcorn popper.  ???)  The idea behind the show >is to feature huge versions of ordinary items – which >must be FULLY FUNCTIONAL.  It seems Seymour >was tapped to wind the pickups for the Paul Bunyan- >sized geetah – which weigh almost 160 pounds each! >He had to build a special winding machine to do them >with.  He said when the thing was up to speed it >sounded like a helicopter. >I don’t know when that particular show is going to >air, but it sounds like it’ll be a gas to watch.  Keep >your eyeballs peeled for it.  ;-) >Lord Valve >Contemplating a Three Storey B-3…

  – Time is an abstract concept created by carbon based life forms to monitor their on going decay. –Thundercles

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  > I taped the show on Tuesday night, and it took me a while to watch the > tape.  Methods used constructing the guitar and pickup were > interesting, particularly since they supposedly did the whole thing in > only a few days. > Watching Seymour wind the giant pickup bobbins was a blast. > The guy hosting the show, Frank Payne was the weakest part.  He may be > just what a show about building big things needs, but that’ll be the > last BIG! show I waste my time watching.

  Yeah, he was a poser. That air guitar shit he was doing made me grit my teeth. The huge machinist with the arm tattoos was a hoot, though. So was the black welder chick.  BTW – did you notice that most of the folks on that show were on the hefty side?  ;-) Lord Valve Big

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  > (snip) > BTW – did you notice that > most of the folks on that show were on the hefty side?  ;-)

  Finally, a show made using REAL Americans for actors. Almost makes me wish I had seen it. Almost. Ed Cregger

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  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I taped the show on Tuesday night, and it took me a while to watch the > tape.  Methods used constructing the guitar and pickup were > interesting, particularly since they supposedly did the whole thing in > only a few days. > Watching Seymour wind the giant pickup bobbins was a blast. > The guy hosting the show, Frank Payne was the weakest part.  He may be > just what a show about building big things needs, but that’ll be the > last BIG! show I waste my time watching. >Yeah, he was a poser. >That air guitar shit he was doing made me grit my teeth.

  Yeah, I didn’t look into who produced that show, but too much of the time was spent on things like that, and not enough time was spent on the planning and construction. The planning that they showed was staged for the show IMO. >The huge machinist with the arm tattoos was a hoot, though. >So was the black welder chick.  BTW – did you notice that >most of the folks on that show were on the hefty side?  ;-) >Lord Valve >Big

  They only had the one skinny guy.  I think his name was "Token". And Seymour is carrying around a few extra Lbs. by now too. I don’t have a clear idea who’s shop those people were from.  They’re probably in every show, building a different big thing every time. Pete — Time is an abstract concept created by carbon based life forms to monitor their on going decay. –Thundercles

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  >> (snip) > BTW – did you notice that > most of the folks on that show were on the hefty side?  ;-) >Finally, a show made using REAL Americans for actors. Almost makes me wish I >had seen it. Almost. >Ed Cregger

  Even though I said I’d never watch another one, I saw that they were building a giant motorcycle this week (part 1 of 2) so I had to watch. It was the same shop of people who built the giant guitar, only this time they were building a giant motorcycle.   And these are fabricators with various metal working skills, so they were like a fish out of water last week.  That big guy with the beard is a machinist, and that big woman is a welder.  It’s unclear what the rest are. Again, the weak point of the show was the time that was wasted on that so called comedian who hosts the show, and pretends to be part of the project. But part one of the motorcycle show wasn’t as obnoxious as the guitar show.  Although maybe if I was a motorcycle enthusiast, I’d have a different opinion. My biggest gripe about the show (other than that host who wrecks everything just by being there) is that instead of really building the things in a larger scale, they’re just making things look big.  And instead of doing a good job, they’re on a deadline. Like on the motorcycle, they don’t have time to construct a large V Harley style engine, they’re building a sheet metal case to go around a Harley engine.  That’s just wrong.  It reminds me too much of that band with the 1" thick Marshall stack stage props. Pete — Time is an abstract concept created by carbon based life forms to monitor their on going decay. –Thundercles

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• GARY BURNORE CONVICTION INFORMATION

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• Jews Rule America

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  <snip> > Forrest

  OT – Please Post to the   "alt.jews.rule.x"    series of newsgroups – where x is your favorite location/country/region/religion/Alein entity and so on.

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  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > The Finlandization of America > > by Edgar J. Steele > > May 23, 2005 > > Finally, Senator Ernest "Fritz" Hollings has come clean.  He dared to > > say what everybody else in Washington already knew:  America dances to > > Israel’s tune, as dispensed through its Washington lobby, the American > > Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).  "You can’t have an Israel > > policy other than what AIPAC gives you around here," said Mr. Hollings > > from the floor of the Senate just two days ago.  Of course, now it’s > > safe for him to do so, since he is retiring in a few months. > > From the reaction to Mr. Hollings’ statement, you would think he had > > proposed that American Jews be rounded up, tattooed and sent off to > > death camps.  Rabbi Philip Silverstein of Columbia?s Beth Shalom > > synagogue, who claimed to be "horrified" by Hollings’ remark, > > hysterically ranted, "It makes him anti-Israel.  It’s > > anti-Semitic…it’s dangerous."   Abraham Foxman, National Director of > > the Anti-Defamation League, issued what has become the ADL’s standard > > denunciation of any national figure who implies, even, that America > > carries Israel’s water:  "To hear such crudeness, such ugliness, such > > classical anti-Semitism.  It’s sad." > > The ingratitude apparent in Mr. Hollings’ recent statements > > particularly must rankle AIPAC’s membership, since they thought they > > had bought and paid for him, to the tune of $73,275.  Of course, > > that’s peanuts compared to what has been paid for some of AIPAC’s > > favorites, such as the Senators from Pennsylvania (Arlen Spector – > > $366,123), Iowa (Thomas Harkin – $423,895) and Michigan (Carl Levin – > > $564,858). > > What?  You say the Senator from your state won’t return your calls? > > Well, how much did you bribe…er, give in "campaign contributions" to > > him or her recently?  What?  Well, no wonder he or she refuses to > > listen to you.  No wonder Israel calls the shots.  Is it really any > > wonder?  And AIPAC is just one of Israel’s seemingly countless lobby > > groups. > > There are lots of other Jewish organizations that also bribe…er, > > contribute to Congressmen, such as the World Jewish Congress and The > > Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, just > > to name a couple.  And there are a great many wealthy individual Jews > > who give serious, and I do mean serious, bribes…er, contributions, > > such as Seagram’s heir Edgar Bronfman, whose work on behalf of Israel > > was recognized with the American Presidential Medal of Freedom (look, > > you have to admit that this is so off the wall that I couldn’t just > > make up stuff like this).  Is it really any surprise for you to learn > > that well over half of all bribes…er, campaign contributions now > > come from Jews? > > Getting back to Mr. Hollings for a moment, the 82-year-old gentleman > > from South Carolina is retiring from public office after 38 years in > > the Senate.  That’s longer than most Americans have been alive, you > > know.  Oddly enough, 38 years also is almost exactly as long as it > > took for the coup to take place.  What coup?  You really haven’t been > > paying attention, have you?  Why, the one now reaching its climax in > > America.  You know, the coup that began with JFK’s assassination.  The > > coup that put the Zionist International Banker cabal atop America for > > good. > > I appreciate that Hollings has come clean at last, but what I really > > want to know is – where have you been for the past 38 years, Fritz? > > And where were all your colleagues while America was sold down the > > river?  You know, the ones busy shuffling their feet and averting > > their eyes during your recent floor speech?  Yes, the very ones with > > whom you took that oath in which you swore allegiance to America and > > against all enemies, both domestic and foreign. > > Bush recently signed off on Israel’s current campaign of genocide > > against the Palestinian people whose land Israel steals, inch by mile, > > on a daily basis.  Why?  Because he, and every President stretching > > back nearly one hundred years to Woodrow Wilson, the very first > > American President to sell America out to Zionist interests, has bowed > > low before Zionism. > > "Israel’s governments have mobilized the collective power of US Jewry > > – which dominates Congress and the media to a large degree – against > > them. Faced by this vigorous opposition, all the presidents, great and > > small, football players and movie stars – folded one after another." > > Israeli journalist and peace activist, Uri Avnery, Ha’aretz, March 6, > > 1991. > > John F. Kennedy reneged on his deal and look what it got him. > > Incidentally, let me tell you once again about the absolute last word > > on the JFK assassination, Final Judgment, by Michael C. Piper – it’s > > available once again, in a new, expanded edition at > > http://www.americanfreepress.net/Final_Judgment.pdf.  Do yourself a > > favor and order a copy.  Get this latest, updated version and give > > your old one away, if you already own a copy (yes, I know you paid > > upwards of $200 for it on the Internet while the book was out of print > > because essentially it was banned, but think of it as bread upon the > > water). > > During his speech to AIPAC the other day, George the Second referred > > to a picture we all now have seen, of four black-clad men standing > > behind Nicholas Berg and accused of having executed him, saying, "The > > faces of the terrorists were cloaked, but we have seen their kind > > before."  Yes, indeed, Mr. President.  We certainly have.  We see them > > every day, in our own ranks.  How ironic that you should bring up this > > specific incident, which already has been debunked so thoroughly by so > > many. > > Just as with 9-11, which now conclusively has been shown to have been > > a "false flag" operation, not to mention the Oklahoma City Bombing, > > the Berg decapitation quite simply wasn’t done by the people being > > blamed by George.  There really isn’t room here today to list, let > > alone develop, the mounting anomalies that call the Berg affair into > > question and there is not yet a unified site that discusses them all, > > but go here and here for some of the more complete preliminary > > discussions. > > George the Second also told his masters, as represented by those > > assembled at the AIPAC Conference:  "(A)ll terrorists burn with the > > same hatred.  They hate all who reject their grim vision of tyranny. > > They hate people who love freedom. They kill without mercy.  They kill > > without shame.  And they count their victories in the death of the > > innocent."  Yes, Mr. President.  Once again, you have said something > > with which I wholeheartedly agree. > > Problem is, we are the terrorists, because it is America that burns > > with hatred these days.  America that hates those who reject its grim > > vision of democracy.  America that hates so many who know the real > > meaning of freedom.  America that kills women without mercy.  America > > that kills children without shame.  You and the Jewish organ grinders > > for whom you are but a dancing monkey count your victories in the > > deaths of innocent Palestinians and Iraqis.  You have shamed us and > > you have condemned us all to Hell, right along with you and your > > Jewish masters. > > George the Second also told the AIPAC audience that "(W)e have a duty > > to expose and confront anti-Semitism, wherever it is found."   He > > followed that up with "The demonization of Israel…can be a flimsy > > cover for anti-Semitism."  With those two statements, George the > > Second made crystal clear where his loyalties lie with regard to the > > mushrooming portion of America’s population that objects to our Middle > > Eastern campaign of conquest:  With Israel and against America, that’s > > where. > > Could it be any more clearly stated, folks?  Of course, George is the > > same fellow who gave new life to the phrase, "yer either with us or > > agin us."  At least, now we know what he meant by "us," and it most > > assuredly isn’t us, fellow Americans. > > In contrast to what George the Second thinks, I rather liked what > > Fritz Hollings had to say in response to his Jewish critics from the > > Senate floor two days ago:  "I want them to apologize to me. Talking > > about ‘anti-Semitic.’  They’re not getting by with it." > > Finland avoided military invasion and conquest by Joseph Stalin’s > > Soviet Union back in the 1940s by adopting a Soviet-style government, > > paying fealty to the USSR and otherwise acting just as it would, had > > it been conquered by force.  Today, the US has gone along with > > International Zionism in precisely the same fashion:  installing > > Jewish and Christian Zionists in all governmental power points, bowing > > to the wishes of Israel’s lobbyists, removing Christianity from > > America’s culture by edict of an increasingly-Jewish judiciary, > > fighting Israel’s fights and even purging those who disagree with > > foreign Jews pushing Zionism by imprisoning its own citizen political > > dissidents on phony charges.  Of course, Finland had the example of > > 20-80 million Russian Christians executed right next door early last > > century, simply for being anti-Semitic, a lesson that America seems to > > have forgotten.  The term "Finlandization" has come to refer to > > quislings like Finland and, now, America.

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  > Forrest is obviously a closet bigot. Why would anybody but a bigot align > himself with the thinking of the likes of Ernest Hollings?

  Closet bigot? You should read what he posts to other froups. Then you’d know he’s been way out of the closet for quite some time.

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  Forrest is obviously a closet bigot. Why would anybody but a bigot align himself with the thinking of the likes of Ernest Hollings? James I didn’t know this!  If I rule America, why was I out of work for 17 months and why am I not rich? Forrest, come over to my home and say this to my face so that I can bash in yours. Assholes like you hide behind your computer screens and post this crap.

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  I didn’t know this!  If I rule America, why was I out of work for 17 months and why am I not rich? Forrest, come over to my home and say this to my face so that I can bash in yours. Assholes like you hide behind your computer screens and post this crap. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > coool  i had no idea i ruled the country. BWAAHAAAHHAA.  Ok, troops > out of Iraq now. >  <snip> > > Forrest > OT – Please Post to the   "alt.jews.rule.x"    series of newsgroups – where > x is your favorite location/country/region/religion/Alein entity and so on.

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  coool  i had no idea i ruled the country. BWAAHAAAHHAA.  Ok, troops out of Iraq now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >  <snip> > Forrest > OT – Please Post to the   "alt.jews.rule.x"    series of newsgroups – where > x is your favorite location/country/region/religion/Alein entity and so on.

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  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > The Finlandization of America > > by Edgar J. Steele > > May 23, 2005 > > Finally, Senator Ernest "Fritz" Hollings has come clean.  He dared to > > say what everybody else in Washington already knew:  America dances to > > Israel’s tune, as dispensed through its Washington lobby, the American > > Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).  "You can’t have an Israel > > policy other than what AIPAC gives you around here," said Mr. Hollings > > from the floor of the Senate just two days ago.  Of course, now it’s > > safe for him to do so, since he is retiring in a few months.

  Hollings merely dug up one of his old speeches and recycled it. Of course, he edited out the usual ethnic slurs against "niggers, papists and spics" that found useful back in the good old days when he was a leader of the White Citizens Council in South Carolina. I expect that he will start slipping in references to Papists soon, as slurs against Catholics is now politically acceptable. One of the great traditions of the Democrat Party is being revived. James

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Finlandization of America > by Edgar J. Steele > May 23, 2005 > Finally, Senator Ernest "Fritz" Hollings has come clean.  He dared to > say what everybody else in Washington already knew:  America dances to > Israel’s tune, as dispensed through its Washington lobby, the American > Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).  "You can’t have an Israel > policy other than what AIPAC gives you around here," said Mr. Hollings > from the floor of the Senate just two days ago.  Of course, now it’s > safe for him to do so, since he is retiring in a few months. > From the reaction to Mr. Hollings’ statement, you would think he had > proposed that American Jews be rounded up, tattooed and sent off to > death camps.  Rabbi Philip Silverstein of Columbia?s Beth Shalom > synagogue, who claimed to be "horrified" by Hollings’ remark, > hysterically ranted, "It makes him anti-Israel.  It’s > anti-Semitic…it’s dangerous."   Abraham Foxman, National Director of > the Anti-Defamation League, issued what has become the ADL’s standard > denunciation of any national figure who implies, even, that America > carries Israel’s water:  "To hear such crudeness, such ugliness, such > classical anti-Semitism.  It’s sad." > The ingratitude apparent in Mr. Hollings’ recent statements > particularly must rankle AIPAC’s membership, since they thought they > had bought and paid for him, to the tune of $73,275.  Of course, > that’s peanuts compared to what has been paid for some of AIPAC’s > favorites, such as the Senators from Pennsylvania (Arlen Spector – > $366,123), Iowa (Thomas Harkin – $423,895) and Michigan (Carl Levin – > $564,858). > What?  You say the Senator from your state won’t return your calls? > Well, how much did you bribe…er, give in "campaign contributions" to > him or her recently?  What?  Well, no wonder he or she refuses to > listen to you.  No wonder Israel calls the shots.  Is it really any > wonder?  And AIPAC is just one of Israel’s seemingly countless lobby > groups. > There are lots of other Jewish organizations that also bribe…er, > contribute to Congressmen, such as the World Jewish Congress and The > Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish American Organizations, just > to name a couple.  And there are a great many wealthy individual Jews > who give serious, and I do mean serious, bribes…er, contributions, > such as Seagram’s heir Edgar Bronfman, whose work on behalf of Israel > was recognized with the American Presidential Medal of Freedom (look, > you have to admit that this is so off the wall that I couldn’t just > make up stuff like this).  Is it really any surprise for you to learn > that well over half of all bribes…er, campaign contributions now > come from Jews? > Getting back to Mr. Hollings for a moment, the 82-year-old gentleman > from South Carolina is retiring from public office after 38 years in > the Senate.  That’s longer than most Americans have been alive, you > know.  Oddly enough, 38 years also is almost exactly as long as it > took for the coup to take place.  What coup?  You really haven’t been > paying attention, have you?  Why, the one now reaching its climax in > America.  You know, the coup that began with JFK’s assassination.  The > coup that put the Zionist International Banker cabal atop America for > good. > I appreciate that Hollings has come clean at last, but what I really > want to know is – where have you been for the past 38 years, Fritz? > And where were all your colleagues while America was sold down the > river?  You know, the ones busy shuffling their feet and averting > their eyes during your recent floor speech?  Yes, the very ones with > whom you took that oath in which you swore allegiance to America and > against all enemies, both domestic and foreign. > Bush recently signed off on Israel’s current campaign of genocide > against the Palestinian people whose land Israel steals, inch by mile, > on a daily basis.  Why?  Because he, and every President stretching > back nearly one hundred years to Woodrow Wilson, the very first > American President to sell America out to Zionist interests, has bowed > low before Zionism. > "Israel’s governments have mobilized the collective power of US Jewry > – which dominates Congress and the media to a large degree – against > them. Faced by this vigorous opposition, all the presidents, great and > small, football players and movie stars – folded one after another." > Israeli journalist and peace activist, Uri Avnery, Ha’aretz, March 6, > 1991. > John F. Kennedy reneged on his deal and look what it got him. > Incidentally, let me tell you once again about the absolute last word > on the JFK assassination, Final Judgment, by Michael C. Piper – it’s > available once again, in a new, expanded edition at > http://www.americanfreepress.net/Final_Judgment.pdf.  Do yourself a > favor and order a copy.  Get this latest, updated version and give > your old one away, if you already own a copy (yes, I know you paid > upwards of $200 for it on the Internet while the book was out of print > because essentially it was banned, but think of it as bread upon the > water). > During his speech to AIPAC the other day, George the Second referred > to a picture we all now have seen, of four black-clad men standing > behind Nicholas Berg and accused of having executed him, saying, "The > faces of the terrorists were cloaked, but we have seen their kind > before."  Yes, indeed, Mr. President.  We certainly have.  We see them > every day, in our own ranks.  How ironic that you should bring up this > specific incident, which already has been debunked so thoroughly by so > many. > Just as with 9-11, which now conclusively has been shown to have been > a "false flag" operation, not to mention the Oklahoma City Bombing, > the Berg decapitation quite simply wasn’t done by the people being > blamed by George.  There really isn’t room here today to list, let > alone develop, the mounting anomalies that call the Berg affair into > question and there is not yet a unified site that discusses them all, > but go here and here for some of the more complete preliminary > discussions. > George the Second also told his masters, as represented by those > assembled at the AIPAC Conference:  "(A)ll terrorists burn with the > same hatred.  They hate all who reject their grim vision of tyranny. > They hate people who love freedom. They kill without mercy.  They kill > without shame.  And they count their victories in the death of the > innocent."  Yes, Mr. President.  Once again, you have said something > with which I wholeheartedly agree. > Problem is, we are the terrorists, because it is America that burns > with hatred these days.  America that hates those who reject its grim > vision of democracy.  America that hates so many who know the real > meaning of freedom.  America that kills women without mercy.  America > that kills children without shame.  You and the Jewish organ grinders > for whom you are but a dancing monkey count your victories in the > deaths of innocent Palestinians and Iraqis.  You have shamed us and > you have condemned us all to Hell, right along with you and your > Jewish masters. > George the Second also told the AIPAC audience that "(W)e have a duty > to expose and confront anti-Semitism, wherever it is found."   He > followed that up with "The demonization of Israel…can be a flimsy > cover for anti-Semitism."  With those two statements, George the > Second made crystal clear where his loyalties lie with regard to the > mushrooming portion of America’s population that objects to our Middle > Eastern campaign of conquest:  With Israel and against America, that’s > where. > Could it be any more clearly stated, folks?  Of course, George is the > same fellow who gave new life to the phrase, "yer either with us or > agin us."  At least, now we know what he meant by "us," and it most > assuredly isn’t us, fellow Americans. > In contrast to what George the Second thinks, I rather liked what > Fritz Hollings had to say in response to his Jewish critics from the > Senate floor two days ago:  "I want them to apologize to me. Talking > about ‘anti-Semitic.’  They’re not getting by with it." > Finland avoided military invasion and conquest by Joseph Stalin’s > Soviet Union back in the 1940s by adopting a Soviet-style government, > paying fealty to the USSR and otherwise acting just as it would, had > it been conquered by force.  Today, the US has gone along with > International Zionism in precisely the same fashion:  installing > Jewish and Christian Zionists in all governmental power points, bowing > to the wishes of Israel’s lobbyists, removing Christianity from > America’s culture by edict of an increasingly-Jewish judiciary, > fighting Israel’s fights and even purging those who disagree with > foreign Jews pushing Zionism by imprisoning its own citizen political > dissidents on phony charges.  Of course, Finland had the example of > 20-80 million Russian Christians executed right next door early last > century, simply for being anti-Semitic, a lesson that America seems to > have forgotten.  The term "Finlandization" has come to refer to > quislings like Finland and, now, America. > I will be speaking at the Duke International European American Unity > and Leadership Conference in New Orleans this next weekend, May 28-30. > Call 985-626-7714 or go here to reserve on line.  From David Duke’s > web site

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• AGA Negatron Beam; Same Ol's

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                 Creativity ends where polemics begin. Life                consists of many choices and forks in                throad but it’s hardly a binary process…                The fascination of the limited with Fox                (Newscorp’s) bilateral division of                everything into "us" vs. "liberals" is a                wonderful study in "consider the source".                Each of these AGA regulars blindly adheres                to the mold set for him, appearing all the                while to have scaled the heights of                anonymous mania on line; attempting to                imitate Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Rielly and                Sean Hannity simultaneously. The pathology                provides passable entertainment until one                realizes it’s at the expense of this poor                bastard’s own personal stuck-record                Dante’s Inferno life. At that point,                compassion, pity and the refrain "there                but for the grace of God", ROCKS.                Regards,                Marc

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Creativity ends where polemics begin. Life >                consists of many choices and forks in >                throad but it’s hardly a binary process… >                The fascination of the limited with Fox >                (Newscorp’s) bilateral division of >                everything into "us" vs. "liberals" is a >                wonderful study in "consider the source". >                Each of these AGA regulars blindly adheres >                to the mold set for him, appearing all the >                while to have scaled the heights of >                anonymous mania on line; attempting to >                imitate Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Rielly and >                Sean Hannity simultaneously. The pathology >                provides passable entertainment until one >                realizes it’s at the expense of this poor >                bastard’s own personal stuck-record >                Dante’s Inferno life. At that point, >                compassion, pity and the refrain "there >                but for the grace of God", ROCKS. >                Regards, >                Marc > —

  Hi marc.

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  Yeah, but one can be creative writing polemics especially when it comes to lambasting neo-conartists, their dupes and all of the toadies. It’s fun mocking those who take themselves too seriously. Mr. Electron aka Lard Vacuum aka Mudhead Ok, so my outspoken dark side displays itself here too much. It’s sport and entertainment.  [

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• Are you a Tube Neck?

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  1. You can remember the pinouts for 150 tubes but forget your anniversary. 2. Your wife tells you to turn up the heater and you ask her how many volts? 3. You make your son keep his solid state amp at his friend’s house. 4. You’ve ever been thrown out of the local landfill for pillaging old stereo chassis. 5. Your kids think "Plexi Palace" is the castle at Disneyworld. 6. You have more amps than guitars. 7. You’ve ever used a tube for a guitar slide. 8. There’s a set of EL34s’ on the mantle next to the family portrait. 9. None of your tube amps are in their cases. 10. You cry when your kids get you a matched pair of KT88s’ for father’s day. 11. The inside of your Dual-Showman is cleaner than the inside of your Monte Carlo. 12. You keep an AC30 chassis upside down on top of the TV. 13. Your little girl asks you for an orange and you say "vintage or reissue?" 14. There are a couple 12AX7s dangling on a string from your rear-view mirror. 15. You have a pin straightener in your pocket. 16. You can set the bias on your amp but not the clock on the VCR. 17. You send your boy to his room for using the "transistor word" in front of guests. 18. You build a tube-type CD player. 19. You can tell the difference between an original Mullard box and a fake. 20. You know what a Mullard is. 21. Your TV doesn’t have a remote control because it was made in 1952. 22. Your baby’s first word is "Pentode". 23. VintageAmps.com is your homepage. 24. You look at your amp more than you play it. 25. You have a Fender name-plate on your key ring. 26. All your amps are facing the wall, so you can see the tubes. 27. You hear someone say "Marshall" on a late-night western, and you wake up. 28. You fantasize about being a lawman of the old west, named "Marshall Vox". 29. You wonder why they don’t pose girls in bikinis with amps instead of stupid old sports cars. 30. You read "Tube-Amp Digest" at the nude beach. 31. You have "Plexi’s Rule" tattooed somewhere on your body. 32. A tear comes to your eye when you look at the pictures of Victor’s workshop. 33. You refuse to listen to a band that uses "solid state" amps. 34. There’s a portrait of "Jim Marshall" over your fireplace. 35. Your tube collection is insured with "Lloyds of London". 36. There’s a 5U4GB wired in place of the blown power rectifier in your computer. 37. You and the family spend your 2 week vacation touring the "Marshall factory". 38. You have pictures of your amps in your wallet. 39. You have a "Tubes I need" list in your wallet. 40. You can remember the plate dissipation wattage of a 6L6GC, but forget to bring home a gallon of milk. 41. You keep a copy of "The Tube Amp Book" in the bathroom. 42. You know who "Aspen Pittman" is. 43. You think 6550s look kinda’ sexy. 44. You want to be buried in a SUNN 6×12 cab when you die. 45. You own a $2,500 amplifier and drive a $300 car. 46. Your wife says "is that a tube in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?" and it’s a tube. 47. You know what year your Magnatone was made, but you can’t remember how old your kids are. 48. You have Altec-Lansing end tables. 49. You think your 1964 Philco phonograph sounds better than your neighbors $8,000 Pioneer. 50. You dream of winning the lottery and buying out Ampeg.

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  <snip> > 4. You’ve ever been thrown out of the local landfill for pillaging old stereo > chassis. > 6. You have more amps than guitars. > 7. You’ve ever used a tube for a guitar slide. > 14. There are a couple 12AX7s dangling on a string from your rear-view mirror.

         (I’ve got tubes stuck in the bushes out front, on the front door, on my desk lamp…) > 20. You know what a Mullard is. > 25. You have a Fender name-plate on your key ring. > 27. You hear someone say "Marshall" on a late-night western, and you wake up.

          (Frequently out in public, like swap meets etc, I frequently mistake someone’s overheard partial conversation and wake to a start: i.e. "Fender for my 67′ Mustang"…) > 39. You have a "Tubes I need" list in your wallet. > 42. You know who "Aspen Pittman" is. > 48. You have Altec-Lansing end tables. > 49. You think your 1964 Philco phonograph sounds better than your neighbors > $8,000 Pioneer.

          (Well, it does.) > 50. You dream of winning the lottery and buying out Ampeg.

           (Nope. But AES or Fair Radio Sales…) -Robert scored 11 out of 50 (could have scored higher, but I haven’t seen a ‘fake’ Mullard box yet…)

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  This is *so* last century. 8^P I turned this into a web-based form a long time ago.  You can just check the boxes and see where you are on the tubeneck scale!    http://gort.rru.com/~meo/Guitar/Tubes/tn.pl

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  > This is *so* last century. > 8^P > I turned this into a web-based form a long time > ago.  You can just check the boxes and see where > you are on the tubeneck scale! >    http://gort.rru.com/~meo/Guitar/Tubes/tn.pl

  It would seem that the link comes from an earlier era as well, since it does not yield the page today.

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  > This is *so* last century. > 8^P > I turned this into a web-based form a long time ago.  You can just check > the boxes and see where you are on the tubeneck scale! >    http://gort.rru.com/~meo/Guitar/Tubes/tn.pl

  http://www.rru.com/~meo/Guitar/Tubes/tn.pl Sheesh.

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• Just back from Disney Cruise

  Question:

  Great review Vanilla. We’ve done the Disney cruise 4 times now but not the 7 night one yet just the 4 night Bahama break. Even after 4 times it’s still a great experience. Panic

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  I was told in general Disney cruise is more expensive than Carnival or RCI, is it true? Someone would give us the general ideas on the average for 7 days how much Disney cruise cost? Thanks Hai Pham

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Great review Vanilla. We’ve done the Disney cruise 4 times now but not the 7 > night one yet just the 4 night Bahama break. Even after 4 times it’s still a > great experience. > Panic

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  > I was told in general Disney cruise is more expensive than Carnival > or RCI, is it true? Someone would give us the general ideas on the > average for 7 days how much Disney cruise cost?

  Go to www.allseasontravel.com and look at the prices,  then look at the prices for some of the others.  Yes,  I think it was a bit more expensive; but the rooms are on average 50% bigger than the competitor,  and the other cruises do not allow you to meet Mickey and Tigger.    Actually,  everything about Disney is 100% class all the way.

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  >Yes,  I think it was a bit more expensive; >but the rooms are on average 50% bigger than the competitor,

  Whoa – not sure who told you that, but it’s definitely not true.  I’ve cruised Disney and Holland America Line (HAL) for years – several cruises on each.  The cabins are almost identical in size – with HAL being slightly larger.  The verandahs on HAL are bigger than on DCL, too – deep enough that they put chaise lounge chairs out there.   Disney is more expensive generally.  If you need the extensive kids’ programs it’s probably worth it.  It’s a good cruise overall, but HAL is definitely more elegant (and preferred by my teen son also). Sue – DivaofDVC   aka WDW1972 DVC ‘97   OKW, Beach Club, Vero Beach, & Hilton Head

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  > I was told in general Disney cruise is more expensive than Carnival or RCI, > is it true? Someone would give us the general ideas on the average for 7 > days how much Disney cruise cost?

  A Disney cruise does tend to be more expensive then other cruise lines. When Kevin and I sailed, we were two adults alone, we also picked a week that was cheaper and the cruise was a few hundred more then other similar cruises we looked at. Your best bet to get an idea of price, is to take a look at travelocity.com and go thru the cabin selection process. Otherwise talk to your travel agent. sue

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  > It truly was a magical experience on the Disney Magic.  

  This I agree with! I don’t know that I > could ever sail on any other cruise line,  once spoiled like that.

  As much as I loved the Disney Magic, the itins are very limited. Also we like to try different cruise lines. I am sure you would have a very good time on other cruise lines also. sue

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  > Whoa – not sure who told you that, but it’s definitely not true.

  OK,  promise not to tease me about this,  but I read it in the Disney brochures and on the Disney website. > Disney is more expensive generally.  If you need the extensive kids’ > programs it’s probably worth it.  It’s a good cruise overall, but HAL > is definitely more elegant (and preferred by my teen son also).

  What did your kid prefer about HAL?    My kids were wild about The Stack. Which food did you prefer?   Disney has plays and movies –  what does HAL do during the days at sea?  If I do a non-Disney cruise,  which I am sure I will soon enough,  I think I want to try Radisson.

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  Did they teach you the newest dance – the Eisner quickstep? Mark

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to experience > (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it),  ports of call were > wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah easily sat my wife, kids, > and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only one beef – the air conditioning did > not keep the room as cool as I would have liked (room about 74,  would have > preferred 68).

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  >OK,  promise not to tease me about this,  but I read it in the Disney >brochures and on the Disney website.

  I’ve seen that, too – but they’re referring to the OLD industry standard. Although, someone recently cruised on RCCL’s new Mariner ship and his inside stateroom was a paltry 134 sq ft (or thereabouts).  I cruise HAL or DCL, and their inside staterooms are 184-197 or so….in that case the "ad" would be right, I guess >What did your kid prefer about HAL?    My kids were wild about The Stack. >Which food did you prefer?   Disney has plays and movies –  what does HAL do >during the days at sea?

  My son was 13 or 14 at the time (on DCL) and didn’t like that there were so many kids on board.  The Goofy pool was always packed, with younger (preteen) kids.  Dinners weren’t as nice, and of course the characters weren’t any big deal to him since he’d grown up going to wdw often. HAL actually has as many or more activities throughout the day & night.  They don’t have the adult-seminars Disney started on the sea days on the 7-day cruises, but they have just about everything else and more.  HAL has a very nice theater (more comfortable than the one on DCL) and they serve free hot buttered popcorn as you enter.  You can also pick up free cappuccino from the Java Cafe right outside the movie theater on most ships.  They tend to show 2 different movies per day, each 2 different times.  The movie shown at night is repeated during the afternoon the next day. > If I do a non-Disney cruise,  which I am sure I will soon enough,  I think >I want to try Radisson.

  You’ve got good taste!  Radisson is supposed to be top-notch!   Sue – DivaofDVC   aka WDW1972 DVC ‘97   OKW, Beach Club, Vero Beach, & Hilton Head

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  << My son was 13 or 14 at the time (on DCL) and didn’t like that there were so many kids on board.   >> Ahhh, a real RTC cruising curmudgeon-in-the-making.  LOL.  :-) Or…what is that saying…something like "I don’t want to be part of any group that’ll have me."

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  >> OK,  promise not to tease me about this,  but I read it in the Disney > brochures and on the Disney website. > I’ve seen that, too – but they’re referring to the OLD industry > standard. Although, someone recently cruised on RCCL’s new Mariner > ship and his inside stateroom was a paltry 134 sq ft (or > thereabouts).  I cruise HAL or DCL, and their inside staterooms are > 184-197 or so….in that case the "ad" would be right, I guess

  I think my room was 300 sq.ft.  and that seemed the perfect size.  Our older kids (3 of them) were in a separate room of the same size. > You’ve got good taste!  Radisson is supposed to be top-notch!

  That Raddisson Diamond dual hull just seems so, well,   *COOL*

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  >>What did your kid prefer about HAL?    My kids were wild about The Stack. >Which food did you prefer?   Disney has plays and movies –  what does HAL do >during the days at sea? >My son was 13 or 14 at the time (on DCL) and didn’t like that there were so >many kids on board.  The Goofy pool was always packed, with younger (preteen) >kids.  Dinners weren’t as nice, and of course the characters weren’t any big >deal to him since he’d grown up going to wdw often. >HAL actually has as many or more activities throughout the day & night.  

  Correct me if I’m wrong though. Disney is the only line that offers an all day program for children without meal breaks and runs til midnight. I also believe that there are no babysitting charges when in ports?? andrew Carnival Tropicale 1982 NCL Dawn 2004

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  I also believe that there are no babysitting charges when in > ports??

  Not true…at Castaway Cays we left our three year old with the babysitter service so my wife and I could go on a snorkeling excursion and had to pay for the service. Disney Wonder 1/04

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  > Correct me if I’m wrong though. Disney is the only line that offers an > all day program for children without meal breaks and runs til > midnight. I also believe that there are no babysitting charges when in > ports??

  They have a club called Oceaneers Lab.  It’s for kids ages 8 through about 14.    They do different things in 1 hour increments from about 7am until 1am.  Stuff like making Flubber,  or learning to draw animations.   They assign a counselor to your kid and it’s completely free.  They give you a pager so your kids can page you if they miss you and want you to come get them.   They will feed your kids as well,  by taking them to dinner for you. And it is completely free to use Oceaneers Lab as often as you want,  and free for The Stack for the older kids (teenagers). — Uno cervesa por favor.

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  Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to experience (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it),  ports of call were wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah easily sat my wife, kids, and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only one beef – the air conditioning did not keep the room as cool as I would have liked (room about 74,  would have preferred 68).

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  > Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to experience > (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it),  ports of call were > wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah easily sat my wife, kids, > and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only one beef – the air conditioning did > not keep the room as cool as I would have liked (room about 74,  would have > preferred 68).

  Glad to hear you have a great time!! We were on the Magic 1/03 and loved it. Are you going to write a review? sue

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  >> Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to > experience (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it), > ports of call were wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah > easily sat my wife, kids, and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only > one beef – the air conditioning did not keep the room as cool as I > would have liked (room about 74,  would have preferred 68). > Glad to hear you have a great time!! We were on the Magic 1/03 and > loved it. Are you going to write a review?

  I could.  Do you want me to?

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to >>experience (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it), >>ports of call were wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah >>easily sat my wife, kids, and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only >>one beef – the air conditioning did not keep the room as cool as I >>would have liked (room about 74,  would have preferred 68). >Glad to hear you have a great time!! We were on the Magic 1/03 and >loved it. Are you going to write a review? > I could.  Do you want me to?

  I wouldn’t of asked, if I weren’t interested!! sue

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  >> I could.  Do you want me to? > I wouldn’t of asked, if I weren’t interested!!

  OK,  but I am no Hemmingway. We decided on a cruise as the next logical Disney step after spending a week at Disney for Thanksgiving.  I poked around and found a highly rated travel agency with Internet rates (www.allseastravel.com).  They buy whole blocks of rooms and sell them at good prices.    At their recommendation,  we (myself, wife,  5 kids ages 10 – 15) drove to the port the night before. We stayed at a Radisson,  with 2 adjoining rooms.   Now with regard to the room:  With such a large crew,  I was thinking about the Roy Disney room; which can sleep 7.   The folks at All Season were kind enough to convince me that we would be better of with an outside room with verandah and an inside room across from that room.   Their advice saved us a bunch of money.  At any rate,  I diverge.   So,  like I was saying,  we got there the night before.  The room was great,  nicely done artistic pools with waterfalls, bridges, etc.   The next day we drove to the boat and parked about 50 feet from the boat entrance.  Perfect.   From there we had a Disney contractor take all of our luggage,  which was brought to our rooms and waiting for us. Before getting on,  a Disney person checked all of our passports, tickets, some forms for the Bahamas, etc.   Once on board,  we went to a really nice restaurant called Parrot Cay.   It was a buffet,  and the food was decent. Finally, after eating we were allowed into our rooms.  The rooms were the size of small hotel rooms,  with a king size bed and a livingroom area that slept 2 more.  We put the babies (10,11) in our room and the big kids (13, 14, 15)  in the room across.   On the day we took off,  there was supposed to be a rocket blast off from the NASA base.  I was in the bathroom when it launched,  but ran out to the verandah and we saw it shoot through the clouds and into space.  It was a Titan something or another.  Satellite launch.   We went to the top deck and walked all around.  We were blown away by the size of the boat.  We have a 35 foot cabin cruiser that sleeps 7, and this thing had emergency dinghies bigger than our boat!   When we were above deck,  we noticed that at the back of the boat there were small abovedeck patios for each deck.    And nobody was sitting at that small ones.  Everyone was on the big area up top.   We went back to the room and got ready for dinner.  Now,  there are three big dining rooms on the boat. Well, and a 4th that was formal tux dining for adults only.  We never went to that one.   We rotate through the three dining rooms with the same servers.    Our head server was  Roberto from Peru.  Our assistant was Edwin from St. Thomas.  We had a great dinner.   One thing I decided we would not be shy about.  Any time I saw more than one thing I liked on the menu,  I ordered it.  We all did.    The first nite the young kids hung out at a place just for little kids called the Oceaneers Lab.  The older one went to the Stack.  The smokestack on the boat is fake,  it is a multi-floor party place for teens.   My wife and I went to one of those little balconies at the back of the ship.  4th or 5th deck, IIRC.  Hard to find,  and it was just a little door with a sign that said "closed after 10 pm".   We sat there until 1 am just talking,  watching the lights of Florida,  and the continuous trail the twin props churned into the water.  We were right over them,  about 20 feet above sea level.  We were totally alone.  That became our secret hideaway,  and we used it at night a few times.  I think nobody else on the ship knew about it.     We finally collected all the kids and went to bed,  but not before trying room service.  The food was great. When we got up we had breakfast in our rooms and headed right out to Key West.  We walked all over,  and went into all the quaint stores.   Our kids got fake tattoos,  made out of some sort of plant.  Not aloe,  but something like that.  They lasted for two weeks.    We finally headed back to the boat,  and went to dinner as the second of three restaurants,  this one called Animators Palate.  Again – awesome food.  The next day was at sea, and we went to a few Disney plays and some Disney movies.   The plays were great,  and the movies were movies not yet released to the theatres.   We also stopped in the stores,  and bought a ton of collectible Disney pins and assorted clothing.   After our day at sea,  we arrived at Grand Cayman.   We spent the day snorkeling,  and we used a tip my mom gave us.  We each brought a fanny pack stuffed full of large milk bone dog biscuits.   As we snorkeled,  we fed the fish the milk bones by breaking them up with our hands once they got soggy.    We did this for hours and hours,  and saw many beautiful fish.  Colorful and friendly,  to say the least.  We didn’t do a shore excursion  - all we had to do is get off the ship and ask a taxi to take us to 7  mile beach.   We stayed at the beach that is owned by Marriott.   When we got back it was our turn to go to the most formal of the restaurants – Lumierres.  Amazing food.  5 star.   The next day,  we woke up in Cozumel.  By this time,  our teenagers made a ton of friends in The Stack,  and our babies decided they would rather hang with us and not go to Oceaneers Lab.   Cozumel was for shopping.  Shopping and haggling,  haggling and shopping.  We bought a ton of turquoise and silver,  yet again more t-shirts, skirts,  and huge sombreros;   and I treated myself to a new Rolex at a Disney recommended upscale jeweler.  What would have cost me $6,800 (GMT Master 2,  two tone) in USA,  cost me $5,200 in Cozumel.    Back on board for all of us,  but my 13 year old daughter and I went back into Mexico at sundown to do more shopping.   We barely made it back to late dinner (8:30 –  the other choice is 6:30 and you have to tell them before you start the cruise);  again at Parrot Cay.    For a second,  lets talk about this ship.  The ship is 1,000 feet long.  A quarter mile.  And a bit over 100 feet wide.  You just can’t imagine anything like it.   The movie theatres on board are each bigger than a movie theatre at a mall,  and there are 3 of them.  The biggest one where the plays happen must take up 4 or 5 decks of the ship in height;  and is as formal as Rockefeller Center; replete with balconies and chandelier’s.   The restaurants are bigger than any restaurant you have been to.   After Cozumel,  my wife and I took the kiddies to our secret hideaway and to some movies.   On our special balcony, we were able to watch Cuba all night.   Cuba is a few hundred miles long, and we followed the coast of Cuba about 8 miles out.  Very beautiful.   Yet again another day at sea,  with lots of movies and plays,  and the older ones lost for the day at The Stack as usual.   I tried my first Cuban cigar. Having never smoked,  I could not get it lit for more than a few seconds.  I can say I did it – but that’s about it.  It went back in the canister and into the garbage.    We got to Disney’s own island early,  and spent the day on it.  The beaches were filled with chairs,  and a huge BBQ lunch with everything you can imagine,  including exotic Caribbean fruits cut right at your table.   Again a ton of snorkeling,   and with that an interesting story.   I went out with my  13 year old daughter,  while the rest of the family went to spend more money on Disney stuff and enjoy Jimmy Buffett. We snorkeled for hours.  The prettiest white fish with yellow stripes that went from nose to tail came and visited me.  First 5,  then 10,  then 20, then 50.  And the more I fed them,  the more they wanted.  Eventually,  the water was boiling with these fish,  like Piranhas eating a cow.  We had to climb a lifeguard tower in the middle of the lagoon to get away from them. They were getting crazy,  and they even nipped us a few times.     Later on in our snorkel adventure we saw a barracuda and stingray,  something I hear is rather rare.    Back to the boat for yet another wonderful dinner,  and one final romantic evening on our secret deck.    The next morning we had a huge breakfast,  and said our goodbyes to our new friends,  Roberto, Edwin, and Jeffrey our stateroom butler.    Some nice touches –  Roberto and Edwin would make artistic animals our of our linen dinner napkins every night, and would play games with us (toothpick games) after dinner.  Roberto also did some magic.     Jeffrey would take an extra blanket out of the closet every night,  and make a beautiful animal out of it,  and would make a scene using the stuffed animals we bought (Nemo, Tigger,  Eeyore, and some others).   The animals he made out of the blanket reminded me of complex origami.    Just beautiful.     And the room was always sparkling,  no matter how messy the kids made it.  Jeffrey would clean our room 2x per day. Our trip is the most memorable one we have ever been on.   We were all sad to come home,  even though we have a wonderful life on shore.

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     Once on board,  we went to a really nice > restaurant called Parrot Cay.  

  Parrot Cay was my favorite dining room on the ship.    On the day we took off,  there was supposed > to be a rocket blast off from the NASA base.  I was in the bathroom when it > launched,  but ran out to the verandah and we saw it shoot through the > clouds and into space.  It was a Titan something or another.  Satellite > launch.  

  WOW, you were lucky to see this. We came back from our cruise on the day the shuttle was lost. We were hoping to catch a glimse of it on the way to the airport. Then we got the sad news.    Now,  there are three big dining rooms on the boat. > Well, and a 4th that was formal tux dining for adults only.  We never went > to that one.   We rotate through the three dining rooms with the same > servers.  

  I enjoyed roataing dining rooms. Sorry you didn’t go to Palo. The food and the service were excellant. You do need to dress up, but no tux required. If you sail with Disney again, be sure to go to Palo for dinner and for brunch. Thanks for a very good review, we don’t see many Disney reviews here. sue

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  WE LOVED THIS CRUISE ! 3 ADULT COUPLES WITH NO CHILDREN WITH US . ITS REALLY MAGIC

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  >    Once on board,  we went to a really nice > restaurant called Parrot Cay. > Parrot Cay was my favorite dining room on the ship.

  Animators was my favorite.  I loved when they would animate those pictures and play Disney clips from the 40’s (or whenever those black and whites were done). One thing I forgot to mention that was extremely exciting –  we would all sit on my balcony and look into the water –  now and then huge fish would come up the surface while we were cruising by at 20 knots.  I don’t know how big they were,  but I was on the 6th deck so they must have been pretty friggin huge!   We saw big orange fish,   and big gray fish.   Not often, but we did see them.  And the kids would all scream and point at them. It truly was a magical experience on the Disney Magic.   I don’t know that I could ever sail on any other cruise line,  once spoiled like that. — I am Saviour Bledsoe.  The Vanilla Vick. Pay me $20M and make me your statue.

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  Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to experience (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it),  ports of call were wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah easily sat my wife, kids, and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only one beef – the air conditioning did not keep the room as cool as I would have liked (room about 74,  would have preferred 68).

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  > Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to experience > (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it),  ports of call were > wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah easily sat my wife, kids, > and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only one beef – the air conditioning did > not keep the room as cool as I would have liked (room about 74,  would have > preferred 68).

  Glad to hear you have a great time!! We were on the Magic 1/03 and loved it. Are you going to write a review? sue

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  >> Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to > experience (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it), > ports of call were wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah > easily sat my wife, kids, and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only > one beef – the air conditioning did not keep the room as cool as I > would have liked (room about 74,  would have preferred 68). > Glad to hear you have a great time!! We were on the Magic 1/03 and > loved it. Are you going to write a review?

  I could.  Do you want me to?

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to >>experience (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it), >>ports of call were wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah >>easily sat my wife, kids, and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only >>one beef – the air conditioning did not keep the room as cool as I >>would have liked (room about 74,  would have preferred 68). >Glad to hear you have a great time!! We were on the Magic 1/03 and >loved it. Are you going to write a review? > I could.  Do you want me to?

  I wouldn’t of asked, if I weren’t interested!! sue

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  >> I could.  Do you want me to? > I wouldn’t of asked, if I weren’t interested!!

  OK,  but I am no Hemmingway. We decided on a cruise as the next logical Disney step after spending a week at Disney for Thanksgiving.  I poked around and found a highly rated travel agency with Internet rates (www.allseastravel.com).  They buy whole blocks of rooms and sell them at good prices.    At their recommendation,  we (myself, wife,  5 kids ages 10 – 15) drove to the port the night before. We stayed at a Radisson,  with 2 adjoining rooms.   Now with regard to the room:  With such a large crew,  I was thinking about the Roy Disney room; which can sleep 7.   The folks at All Season were kind enough to convince me that we would be better of with an outside room with verandah and an inside room across from that room.   Their advice saved us a bunch of money.  At any rate,  I diverge.   So,  like I was saying,  we got there the night before.  The room was great,  nicely done artistic pools with waterfalls, bridges, etc.   The next day we drove to the boat and parked about 50 feet from the boat entrance.  Perfect.   From there we had a Disney contractor take all of our luggage,  which was brought to our rooms and waiting for us. Before getting on,  a Disney person checked all of our passports, tickets, some forms for the Bahamas, etc.   Once on board,  we went to a really nice restaurant called Parrot Cay.   It was a buffet,  and the food was decent. Finally, after eating we were allowed into our rooms.  The rooms were the size of small hotel rooms,  with a king size bed and a livingroom area that slept 2 more.  We put the babies (10,11) in our room and the big kids (13, 14, 15)  in the room across.   On the day we took off,  there was supposed to be a rocket blast off from the NASA base.  I was in the bathroom when it launched,  but ran out to the verandah and we saw it shoot through the clouds and into space.  It was a Titan something or another.  Satellite launch.   We went to the top deck and walked all around.  We were blown away by the size of the boat.  We have a 35 foot cabin cruiser that sleeps 7, and this thing had emergency dinghies bigger than our boat!   When we were above deck,  we noticed that at the back of the boat there were small abovedeck patios for each deck.    And nobody was sitting at that small ones.  Everyone was on the big area up top.   We went back to the room and got ready for dinner.  Now,  there are three big dining rooms on the boat. Well, and a 4th that was formal tux dining for adults only.  We never went to that one.   We rotate through the three dining rooms with the same servers.    Our head server was  Roberto from Peru.  Our assistant was Edwin from St. Thomas.  We had a great dinner.   One thing I decided we would not be shy about.  Any time I saw more than one thing I liked on the menu,  I ordered it.  We all did.    The first nite the young kids hung out at a place just for little kids called the Oceaneers Lab.  The older one went to the Stack.  The smokestack on the boat is fake,  it is a multi-floor party place for teens.   My wife and I went to one of those little balconies at the back of the ship.  4th or 5th deck, IIRC.  Hard to find,  and it was just a little door with a sign that said "closed after 10 pm".   We sat there until 1 am just talking,  watching the lights of Florida,  and the continuous trail the twin props churned into the water.  We were right over them,  about 20 feet above sea level.  We were totally alone.  That became our secret hideaway,  and we used it at night a few times.  I think nobody else on the ship knew about it.     We finally collected all the kids and went to bed,  but not before trying room service.  The food was great. When we got up we had breakfast in our rooms and headed right out to Key West.  We walked all over,  and went into all the quaint stores.   Our kids got fake tattoos,  made out of some sort of plant.  Not aloe,  but something like that.  They lasted for two weeks.    We finally headed back to the boat,  and went to dinner as the second of three restaurants,  this one called Animators Palate.  Again – awesome food.  The next day was at sea, and we went to a few Disney plays and some Disney movies.   The plays were great,  and the movies were movies not yet released to the theatres.   We also stopped in the stores,  and bought a ton of collectible Disney pins and assorted clothing.   After our day at sea,  we arrived at Grand Cayman.   We spent the day snorkeling,  and we used a tip my mom gave us.  We each brought a fanny pack stuffed full of large milk bone dog biscuits.   As we snorkeled,  we fed the fish the milk bones by breaking them up with our hands once they got soggy.    We did this for hours and hours,  and saw many beautiful fish.  Colorful and friendly,  to say the least.  We didn’t do a shore excursion  - all we had to do is get off the ship and ask a taxi to take us to 7  mile beach.   We stayed at the beach that is owned by Marriott.   When we got back it was our turn to go to the most formal of the restaurants – Lumierres.  Amazing food.  5 star.   The next day,  we woke up in Cozumel.  By this time,  our teenagers made a ton of friends in The Stack,  and our babies decided they would rather hang with us and not go to Oceaneers Lab.   Cozumel was for shopping.  Shopping and haggling,  haggling and shopping.  We bought a ton of turquoise and silver,  yet again more t-shirts, skirts,  and huge sombreros;   and I treated myself to a new Rolex at a Disney recommended upscale jeweler.  What would have cost me $6,800 (GMT Master 2,  two tone) in USA,  cost me $5,200 in Cozumel.    Back on board for all of us,  but my 13 year old daughter and I went back into Mexico at sundown to do more shopping.   We barely made it back to late dinner (8:30 –  the other choice is 6:30 and you have to tell them before you start the cruise);  again at Parrot Cay.    For a second,  lets talk about this ship.  The ship is 1,000 feet long.  A quarter mile.  And a bit over 100 feet wide.  You just can’t imagine anything like it.   The movie theatres on board are each bigger than a movie theatre at a mall,  and there are 3 of them.  The biggest one where the plays happen must take up 4 or 5 decks of the ship in height;  and is as formal as Rockefeller Center; replete with balconies and chandelier’s.   The restaurants are bigger than any restaurant you have been to.   After Cozumel,  my wife and I took the kiddies to our secret hideaway and to some movies.   On our special balcony, we were able to watch Cuba all night.   Cuba is a few hundred miles long, and we followed the coast of Cuba about 8 miles out.  Very beautiful.   Yet again another day at sea,  with lots of movies and plays,  and the older ones lost for the day at The Stack as usual.   I tried my first Cuban cigar. Having never smoked,  I could not get it lit for more than a few seconds.  I can say I did it – but that’s about it.  It went back in the canister and into the garbage.    We got to Disney’s own island early,  and spent the day on it.  The beaches were filled with chairs,  and a huge BBQ lunch with everything you can imagine,  including exotic Caribbean fruits cut right at your table.   Again a ton of snorkeling,   and with that an interesting story.   I went out with my  13 year old daughter,  while the rest of the family went to spend more money on Disney stuff and enjoy Jimmy Buffett. We snorkeled for hours.  The prettiest white fish with yellow stripes that went from nose to tail came and visited me.  First 5,  then 10,  then 20, then 50.  And the more I fed them,  the more they wanted.  Eventually,  the water was boiling with these fish,  like Piranhas eating a cow.  We had to climb a lifeguard tower in the middle of the lagoon to get away from them. They were getting crazy,  and they even nipped us a few times.     Later on in our snorkel adventure we saw a barracuda and stingray,  something I hear is rather rare.    Back to the boat for yet another wonderful dinner,  and one final romantic evening on our secret deck.    The next morning we had a huge breakfast,  and said our goodbyes to our new friends,  Roberto, Edwin, and Jeffrey our stateroom butler.    Some nice touches –  Roberto and Edwin would make artistic animals our of our linen dinner napkins every night, and would play games with us (toothpick games) after dinner.  Roberto also did some magic.     Jeffrey would take an extra blanket out of the closet every night,  and make a beautiful animal out of it,  and would make a scene using the stuffed animals we bought (Nemo, Tigger,  Eeyore, and some others).   The animals he made out of the blanket reminded me of complex origami.    Just beautiful.     And the room was always sparkling,  no matter how messy the kids made it.  Jeffrey would clean our room 2x per day. Our trip is the most memorable one we have ever been on.   We were all sad to come home,  even though we have a wonderful life on shore.

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     Once on board,  we went to a really nice > restaurant called Parrot Cay.  

  Parrot Cay was my favorite dining room on the ship.    On the day we took off,  there was supposed > to be a rocket blast off from the NASA base.  I was in the bathroom when it > launched,  but ran out to the verandah and we saw it shoot through the > clouds and into space.  It was a Titan something or another.  Satellite > launch.  

  WOW, you were lucky to see this. We came back from our cruise on the day the shuttle was lost. We were hoping to catch a glimse of it on the way to the airport. Then we got the sad news.    Now,  there are three big dining rooms on the boat. > Well, and a 4th that was formal tux dining for adults only.  We never went > to that one.   We rotate through the three dining rooms with the same > servers.  

  I enjoyed roataing dining rooms. Sorry you didn’t go to Palo. The food and the service were excellant. You do need to dress up, but no tux required. If you sail with Disney again, be sure to go to Palo for dinner and for brunch. Thanks for a very good review, we don’t see many Disney reviews here. sue

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  WE LOVED THIS CRUISE ! 3 ADULT COUPLES WITH NO CHILDREN WITH US . ITS REALLY MAGIC

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  >    Once on board,  we went to a really nice > restaurant called Parrot Cay. > Parrot Cay was my favorite dining room on the ship.

  Animators was my favorite.  I loved when they would animate those pictures and play Disney clips from the 40’s (or whenever those black and whites were done). One thing I forgot to mention that was extremely exciting –  we would all sit on my balcony and look into the water –  now and then huge fish would come up the surface while we were cruising by at 20 knots.  I don’t know how big they were,  but I was on the 6th deck so they must have been pretty friggin huge!   We saw big orange fish,   and big gray fish.   Not often, but we did see them.  And the kids would all scream and point at them. It truly was a magical experience on the Disney Magic.   I don’t know that I could ever sail on any other cruise line,  once spoiled like that. — I am Saviour Bledsoe.  The Vanilla Vick. Pay me $20M and make me your statue.

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  Great review Vanilla. We’ve done the Disney cruise 4 times now but not the 7 night one yet just the 4 night Bahama break. Even after 4 times it’s still a great experience. Panic

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  I was told in general Disney cruise is more expensive than Carnival or RCI, is it true? Someone would give us the general ideas on the average for 7 days how much Disney cruise cost? Thanks Hai Pham

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Great review Vanilla. We’ve done the Disney cruise 4 times now but not the 7 > night one yet just the 4 night Bahama break. Even after 4 times it’s still a > great experience. > Panic

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  > I was told in general Disney cruise is more expensive than Carnival > or RCI, is it true? Someone would give us the general ideas on the > average for 7 days how much Disney cruise cost?

  Go to www.allseasontravel.com and look at the prices,  then look at the prices for some of the others.  Yes,  I think it was a bit more expensive; but the rooms are on average 50% bigger than the competitor,  and the other cruises do not allow you to meet Mickey and Tigger.    Actually,  everything about Disney is 100% class all the way.

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  >Yes,  I think it was a bit more expensive; >but the rooms are on average 50% bigger than the competitor,

  Whoa – not sure who told you that, but it’s definitely not true.  I’ve cruised Disney and Holland America Line (HAL) for years – several cruises on each.  The cabins are almost identical in size – with HAL being slightly larger.  The verandahs on HAL are bigger than on DCL, too – deep enough that they put chaise lounge chairs out there.   Disney is more expensive generally.  If you need the extensive kids’ programs it’s probably worth it.  It’s a good cruise overall, but HAL is definitely more elegant (and preferred by my teen son also). Sue – DivaofDVC   aka WDW1972 DVC ‘97   OKW, Beach Club, Vero Beach, & Hilton Head

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  > I was told in general Disney cruise is more expensive than Carnival or RCI, > is it true? Someone would give us the general ideas on the average for 7 > days how much Disney cruise cost?

  A Disney cruise does tend to be more expensive then other cruise lines. When Kevin and I sailed, we were two adults alone, we also picked a week that was cheaper and the cruise was a few hundred more then other similar cruises we looked at. Your best bet to get an idea of price, is to take a look at travelocity.com and go thru the cabin selection process. Otherwise talk to your travel agent. sue

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  > It truly was a magical experience on the Disney Magic.  

  This I agree with! I don’t know that I > could ever sail on any other cruise line,  once spoiled like that.

  As much as I loved the Disney Magic, the itins are very limited. Also we like to try different cruise lines. I am sure you would have a very good time on other cruise lines also. sue

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  > Whoa – not sure who told you that, but it’s definitely not true.

  OK,  promise not to tease me about this,  but I read it in the Disney brochures and on the Disney website. > Disney is more expensive generally.  If you need the extensive kids’ > programs it’s probably worth it.  It’s a good cruise overall, but HAL > is definitely more elegant (and preferred by my teen son also).

  What did your kid prefer about HAL?    My kids were wild about The Stack. Which food did you prefer?   Disney has plays and movies –  what does HAL do during the days at sea?  If I do a non-Disney cruise,  which I am sure I will soon enough,  I think I want to try Radisson.

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  Did they teach you the newest dance – the Eisner quickstep? Mark

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Awesome!   No shortage of stuff to do,  lots of Disney events to experience > (movies, plays),  food was amazing (and lots of it),  ports of call were > wonderful,  rooms were comfy and big,  verandah easily sat my wife, kids, > and I,  and the ship was tip-top.   Only one beef – the air conditioning did > not keep the room as cool as I would have liked (room about 74,  would have > preferred 68).

  Response:

  >OK,  promise not to tease me about this,  but I read it in the Disney >brochures and on the Disney website.

  I’ve seen that, too – but they’re referring to the OLD industry standard. Although, someone recently cruised on RCCL’s new Mariner ship and his inside stateroom was a paltry 134 sq ft (or thereabouts).  I cruise HAL or DCL, and their inside staterooms are 184-197 or so….in that case the "ad" would be right, I guess >What did your kid prefer about HAL?    My kids were wild about The Stack. >Which food did you prefer?   Disney has plays and movies –  what does HAL do >during the days at sea?

  My son was 13 or 14 at the time (on DCL) and didn’t like that there were so many kids on board.  The Goofy pool was always packed, with younger (preteen) kids.  Dinners weren’t as nice, and of course the characters weren’t any big deal to him since he’d grown up going to wdw often. HAL actually has as many or more activities throughout the day & night.  They don’t have the adult-seminars Disney started on the sea days on the 7-day cruises, but they have just about everything else and more.  HAL has a very nice theater (more comfortable than the one on DCL) and they serve free hot buttered popcorn as you enter.  You can also pick up free cappuccino from the Java Cafe right outside the movie theater on most ships.  They tend to show 2 different movies per day, each 2 different times.  The movie shown at night is repeated during the afternoon the next day. > If I do a non-Disney cruise,  which I am sure I will soon enough,  I think >I want to try Radisson.

  You’ve got good taste!  Radisson is supposed to be top-notch!   Sue – DivaofDVC   aka WDW1972 DVC ‘97   OKW, Beach Club, Vero Beach, & Hilton Head

  Response:

  << My son was 13 or 14 at the time (on DCL) and didn’t like that there were so many kids on board.   >> Ahhh, a real RTC cruising curmudgeon-in-the-making.  LOL.  :-) Or…what is that saying…something like "I don’t want to be part of any group that’ll have me."

  Response:

  >> OK,  promise not to tease me about this,  but I read it in the Disney > brochures and on the Disney website. > I’ve seen that, too – but they’re referring to the OLD industry > standard. Although, someone recently cruised on RCCL’s new Mariner > ship and his inside stateroom was a paltry 134 sq ft (or > thereabouts).  I cruise HAL or DCL, and their inside staterooms are > 184-197 or so….in that case the "ad" would be right, I guess

  I think my room was 300 sq.ft.  and that seemed the perfect size.  Our older kids (3 of them) were in a separate room of the same size. > You’ve got good taste!  Radisson is supposed to be top-notch!

  That Raddisson Diamond dual hull just seems so, well,   *COOL*

  Response:

  >>What did your kid prefer about HAL?    My kids were wild about The Stack. >Which food did you prefer?   Disney has plays and movies –  what does HAL do >during the days at sea? >My son was 13 or 14 at the time (on DCL) and didn’t like that there were so >many kids on board.  The Goofy pool was always packed, with younger (preteen) >kids.  Dinners weren’t as nice, and of course the characters weren’t any big >deal to him since he’d grown up going to wdw often. >HAL actually has as many or more activities throughout the day & night.  

  Correct me if I’m wrong though. Disney is the only line that offers an all day program for children without meal breaks and runs til midnight. I also believe that there are no babysitting charges when in ports?? andrew Carnival Tropicale 1982 NCL Dawn 2004

  Response:

  I also believe that there are no babysitting charges when in > ports??

  Not true…at Castaway Cays we left our three year old with the babysitter service so my wife and I could go on a snorkeling excursion and had to pay for the service. Disney Wonder 1/04

  Response:

  > Correct me if I’m wrong though. Disney is the only line that offers an > all day program for children without meal breaks and runs til > midnight. I also believe that there are no babysitting charges when in > ports??

  They have a club called Oceaneers Lab.  It’s for kids ages 8 through about 14.    They do different things in 1 hour increments from about 7am until 1am.  Stuff like making Flubber,  or learning to draw animations.   They assign a counselor to your kid and it’s completely free.  They give you a pager so your kids can page you if they miss you and want you to come get them.   They will feed your kids as well,  by taking them to dinner for you. And it is completely free to use Oceaneers Lab as often as you want,  and free for The Stack for the older kids (teenagers). — Uno cervesa por favor.

  Response:

  No comments tattoo idea
  
  

• Charter – FAQ's – New Reviews

  Question:

  Folks: I avoided posting the Charter yesterday due to all the info being posted about the tragic accident on the QM2. The Cruise Review Archive has 7 new reviews since the last posting of the Charter, they include. Nov. 2 2003 Carnival Inspiration Nov. 5 2003  Royal Olympia Odysseus Nov. 6 2003 Norwegian Dawn Nov. 6 2003 Princess Tahitian Nov. 6 2003 Carnival  Elation Nov. 8 2003 Celebrity  Millennium Nov. 11 2003  Norwegian Sea Phil Seacruise rec.travel.cruises (unmoderated) CHARTER Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. Rec.travel.cruises will: 1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within postings). 2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of veteran cruises. 3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs to be familiar with. An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the FAQ’s. In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to rec.travel.cruises not be cross posted to rec.travel or the other travel newsgroups. End of Charter Link to the FAQ — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our charter bit the dust many moons ago — http://www.seacruisereviews.com Link to the Group cruise pages  — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm — Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

  Response:

  What some people will go to get around the RTC Charter policy of no advertising for TA’s. Hypocrite – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Folks: >I avoided posting the Charter yesterday due to all the info being posted >about the tragic accident on the QM2. >The Cruise Review Archive has 7 new reviews since the last posting of >the Charter, they include. >Nov. 2 2003 Carnival Inspiration >Nov. 5 2003  Royal Olympia Odysseus >Nov. 6 2003 Norwegian Dawn >Nov. 6 2003 Princess Tahitian >Nov. 6 2003 Carnival  Elation >Nov. 8 2003 Celebrity  Millennium >Nov. 11 2003  Norwegian Sea >Phil >Seacruise >rec.travel.cruises >(unmoderated) >CHARTER >Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information >and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not >be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and >lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise >ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship >personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. >Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly >welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money >back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. >cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own >cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise >industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion >will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. >Rec.travel.cruises will: >1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a >cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome >to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion >provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within >postings). >2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of >veteran cruises. >3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once >he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as >cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore >excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs >to be familiar with. >An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. >These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). >Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write >reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the >FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking >into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive >listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the >FAQ’s. >In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion >on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific >cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming >personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly >urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a >minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to >rec.travel.cruises not be cross posted to rec.travel or the other travel >newsgroups. >End of Charter >Link to the FAQ — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm >Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our >charter bit the dust many moons ago — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com >Link to the Group cruise pages  — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm >Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm

  Response:

  I think you lost me on this one, but coming from you, you loose allot of people with your comments. Phil Seacruise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > What some people will go to get around the RTC Charter policy of no > advertising for TA’s. > Hypocrite >Folks: >I avoided posting the Charter yesterday due to all the info being posted >about the tragic accident on the QM2. >The Cruise Review Archive has 7 new reviews since the last posting of >the Charter, they include. >Nov. 2 2003 Carnival Inspiration >Nov. 5 2003  Royal Olympia Odysseus >Nov. 6 2003 Norwegian Dawn >Nov. 6 2003 Princess Tahitian >Nov. 6 2003 Carnival  Elation >Nov. 8 2003 Celebrity  Millennium >Nov. 11 2003  Norwegian Sea >Phil >Seacruise >rec.travel.cruises >(unmoderated) >CHARTER >Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information >and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not >be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and >lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise >ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship >personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. >Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly >welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money >back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. >cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own >cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise >industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion >will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. >Rec.travel.cruises will: >1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a >cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome >to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion >provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within >postings). >2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of >veteran cruises. >3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once >he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as >cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore >excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs >to be familiar with. >An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. >These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). >Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write >reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the >FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking >into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive >listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the >FAQ’s. >In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion >on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific >cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming >personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly >urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a >minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to >rec.travel.cruises not be cross posted to rec.travel or the other travel >newsgroups. >End of Charter >Link to the FAQ — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm >Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our >charter bit the dust many moons ago — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com >Link to the Group cruise pages  — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm >Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm

  – Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

  Response:

  >I think you lost me on this one, but coming from you, you loose allot of >people with your comments. >Phil >Seacruise > What some people will go to get around the RTC Charter policy of no > advertising for TA’s. > Hypocrite

  Let me make it plain so that you won’t "loose allot" anymore. You posted the Charter and included your ad/sig line for no other reason that to expose your business to an international market of known cruisers who you want to sell cruises, etc to. I’ll give you a second and let that sink in. You used the Charter posting as your excuse to advertise your business. The Charter prohibits advertising. I’ll give you a minute and let that sink in. You have now established yourself as the Ultimate RTC Hypocrite Among TA’s. I’ll give you a life and let that sink in.

  Response:

  Hey Queenie: Maybe you should do some research before you insert BOTH feet into your mouth. . Seacruise is the first Cruise Chat Channel that was started in 1996. We are a non profit group that accepts no advertising or no money from Travel Agents. All moneys are free will donations from those on Seacruise. Seacruise agreed to keep the Charter and Post the Charter several years ago. As part of the Charter there is suppose to be a FTP site for reviews. Since FTP sites are pretty much a thing of the past http://seacruisereviews was born.     As a matter of clarification SeacruiseReviews (Steve) also posts Group Cruises submitted to him as one post. You see there was a problem with Spam on RTC and it was agreed upon that Seacruise would provide this service FREE OF CHARGE to those that use it in one simple message. We accept nothing in return, except a simple Thank You.     SeacruiseChat and SeacruiseReviews gains NOTHING.     We are doing RTC a service and if you had done some research on Google you would have found this out, but you didn’t. Now I am going to suggest that you visit the links I listed and tell me where we are a business? Also visit this link http://seacruisereviews.com/rtccharter.htm and read the top of the page. I hope this clarifies any misunderstanding you have on what Seacruise is or about. Phil Seacruise Channel Manager > You posted the Charter and included your ad/sig line for no other reason > that to expose your business to an international market of known cruisers > who you want to sell cruises, etc to. > I’ll give you a second and let that sink in. > You used the Charter posting as your excuse to advertise your business. The > Charter prohibits advertising.

  – Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

  Response:

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I think you lost me on this one, but coming from you, you loose allot of >people with your comments. >Phil >Seacruise >> What some people will go to get around the RTC Charter policy of no >> advertising for TA’s. >> Hypocrite >Let me make it plain so that you won’t "loose allot" anymore. >You posted the Charter and included your ad/sig line for no other >reason that to expose your business to an international market of >known cruisers who you want to sell cruises, etc to. >I’ll give you a second and let that sink in. >You used the Charter posting as your excuse to advertise your >business. The Charter prohibits advertising. >I’ll give you a minute and let that sink in. >You have now established yourself as the Ultimate RTC Hypocrite Among >TA’s. >I’ll give you a life and let that sink in.

  Whoosh!   That was the sound of reality slipping through your fingertips, Queenie. Trahn Where are the weapons of mass destruction?

  Response:

  > I’ll give you a second and let that sink in.

  I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted? — Klecko’s Komrades.  All the way in 2003

  Response:

  >Hey Queenie: >Maybe you should do some research before you insert BOTH feet into your >mouth. .

  Here is all the "research" I need. http://www.seacruisereviews.com/links.htm Advertising, pure and simple. You can spin it anyway you way, Phillie, but this link above says it all.

  Response:

  >I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted?

  Two fingers.

  Response:

  >> I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted? > Two fingers.

  me.  Enquiring minds want to know.  Or at least my one insane mind does. — Klecko’s Komrades.  All the way in 2003

  Response:

  Queenie: Sorry to disagree here with you but I think you better go back and do some research here BEFORE you open up that yap of yours. You have been famous for posting messages without ANY research at all, and once again you proved yourself again as a fool. Go back in Google and do some research as to why this came about and then maybe just maybe you will understand…..opps I forgot you will NEVER understand as you think your point of view is always correct.     I could try and explain how spam posts started to run amuck on here and how a change to the Charter was impossible. A compromise was suggested and Seacruise was asked if they would once again step in and help. We did and the problems since then have been kept down to almost nil when compared to other newsgroups. So you have yet to tell me how I or Seacruise make ANY money off of this? Either put up or shut up. Seacruise is proud to have one of the founding people of RTC as one of it’s crew. Sorry Queenie you are out of your league on this one. We are just doing as the majority on RTC want. Phil Seacruise Channel Manager – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey Queenie: >Maybe you should do some research before you insert BOTH feet into your >mouth. . > Here is all the "research" I need. > http://www.seacruisereviews.com/links.htm > Advertising, pure and simple. > You can spin it anyway you way, Phillie, but this link above says it > all.

  – Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

  Response:

  >Queenie: >Sorry to disagree here with you but I think you better go back and do some >research here BEFORE you open up that yap of yours.

  Here is all the "research" I need.  http://www.seacruisereviews.com/links.htm  Advertising, pure and simple. You can spin it anyway you way, Phillie, but this link above says it  all. Amazing how you and the TA’s on this board will fight tooth and nail for your thinly disguised attempts to play within the Charter that all of you so highly regard….and then piss all over daily on this newsgroup. >Sorry Queenie you are out of your league on this one. We are just doing as >the majority on RTC want.

  I missed that vote, Phil. Would you post the results again for all to see?

  Response:

  >>> I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted? > Two fingers.

  You’re not a "breast man" are you Hobbes? >   Come on now,  ya gotta tell >me.  Enquiring minds want to know.  Or at least my one insane mind does.

  Two fingers is all that Hubby can get BETWEEN  my two. Mystery solved.

  Response:

  >>>I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted? >Two fingers. >"Two fingers"?? ><signed> >Karens, looking down her shirt

  Yeah but you got that cute thing going on there. http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html More courage than I have.

  Response:

  >>http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html >More courage than I have. >I just wish I ‘d have gotten another one when we were in the South >Pacific.  What a great souvenir that would have been.

  Did you have to stay out of the sun? I was under the impression that you had to.

  Response:

  >Next time, we’ll do it at the end of the trip and sit on the plane for >13 hours with new tattoos

  Neat. I can hear Hans now. "Karens, I have a new line to get you to join the Mile High Club. Lemme see yours, I’ll let you see mine."

  Response:

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html >>> More courage than I have. >> I just wish I ‘d have gotten another one when we were in the South >> Pacific.  What a great souvenir that would have been. > Did you have to stay out of the sun? I was under the impression that > you had to. > Yes, that’s why we skipped it last time.  We were in Papeete for the > first few days of our trip before the cruise (this was on Ren), and we > would have had to stay out of the water for the first three-five days. > Next time, we’ll do it at the end of the trip and sit on the plane for > 13 hours with new tattoos > Karen

  Nice tattoo … I don’t have pictures of mine. On one of our previous cruises one of our tablemates got a tattoo in Mexico … She missed dinner that night, as she was a wee bit intoxicated celebrating the new tattoo. Cathy

  Response:

  >>>>http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html

  Cool tattoo, Karen. Howie – benchin today.

  Response:

  >Nice tattoo … I don’t have pictures of mine. >On one of our previous cruises one of our tablemates got a tattoo in >Mexico … She missed dinner that night, as she was a wee bit intoxicated >celebrating the new tattoo.

  That’s different. Most stories are about people getting drunk and THEN getting a tattoo. LOL

  Response:

  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>>http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html >Cool tattoo, Karen. > Thanks, Howard! >Howie – benchin today. > Go for it! > Karen, sitting very still in damp and dreary North Jersey

  Now that I’ve seen your tattoo and I know you’re a night owl when cruising, I have one more question.  Do you and Hans like to boogie? Howie – enervated

  Response:

  > You’re not a "breast man" are you Hobbes?

  Heck yes I am!  My whole life revolves around them! LOL > Two fingers is all that Hubby can get BETWEEN  my two.

  Ahhhh…  I see, said the blind man. — Klecko’s Komrades.  All the way in 2003

  Response:

  >> On one of our previous cruises one of our tablemates got a tattoo in > Mexico … She missed dinner that night, as she was a wee bit intoxicated > celebrating the new tattoo. > Gee, I missed that part  I just went home and put "bag balm" > (don’t ask) on it, as instructed. > Karen

  I made the mistake of inviting 2 girlfriends along when I had my last tattoo. They had both wanted one, but one of them was so freaked out by watching me that she’ll never get one. The other one waited 2-3 years and finally got one of her own. They are addicting. I’m planning my third … Cathy

  Response:

  > "Boogie" as in . . . ?

  Move your legs, hips, pelvis, butt, arms, hands, and/or feet to a smooth or driving beat.

  Response:

  >> "Boogie" as in . . . ? >Move your legs, hips, pelvis, butt, arms, hands, and/or feet to a smooth >or driving meat.

  LOL

  Response:

  Queenie: > Amazing how you and the TA’s on this board will fight tooth and nail > for your thinly disguised attempts to play within the Charter that all > of you so highly regard….and then piss all over daily on this > newsgroup.

  I don’t need  to fight tooth and nail as you put it. Seacruise is doing a service for RTC and till we are told otherwise we will continue to do it. > Would you post the results again for all to see?

  No need to, I know what the results are and most do here, why should I do YOUR research that you should have done before you stuffed BOTH FEET into your mouth again. Now I have asked you twice where I or anyone one else on Seacruise makes any money on this. You have accused Seacruise as being a business and I have asked you to show me. Since you can not provide any evidence I  suggest you shut up when you don’t have the facts. Sorry Queenie this is game set and match. Your out of your league on this one. Phil Seacruise Channel Manager — Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

  Response:

  Folks:     I would like to Thank those that have agreed to write articles etc. for the FAQ’s. While no one has agreed to take on the FAQ them self at this point I am hoping someone will step forward.     The Cruise Review Archive has 8 new reviews since the last posting of the Charter, they include. Feb 4 2004 Carnival Spirit Feb 9 2004 Carnival Fascination Feb 10 2004 Holland America Oosterdam Feb 10 2004 Royal Caribbean Radiance of the Seas Feb 11 2004 Royal Caribbean  Radiance of the Seas Feb 13 2004 Carnival Legend Feb 13 2004 Carnival Legend Feb 13 2004 Holland America Zuiderdam Phil Seacruise rec.travel.cruises (unmoderated) CHARTER Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. Rec.travel.cruises will: 1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within postings). 2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of veteran cruises. 3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs to be familiar with. An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the FAQ’s. In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to rec.travel.cruises not be crossposted to rec.travel or the other travel newsgroups. End of Charter Link to the FAQ — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our charter bit the dust many moons ago — http://www.seacruisereviews.com Link to the Group cruise pages  — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm — Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) He could lead if he could get the lead out. 2) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.

  Response:

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Rec.travel.cruises will: >1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a >cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome >to the group and are >encouraged to participate in the discussion provided that there shall be >no overt solicitation of business within postings). >2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of >veteran cruises. >3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once >he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as >cruise ship dress codes, >dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore excursions and tipping >are all topics that the first time cruiser needs to be familiar with.

  4. Provide RTC TA’s with the opportunity to abuse the spirit of the Charter with spamadvertising. Which brings us to crux of the matter. The Charter is a written, toothless document that is defined by the participants of RTC and by their show of (dis)approval of activities including TA spamadvertising. It is my take that the majority of RTCers are either apathetic to the constant spamadvertising, worn out by it or could care less about the issue. There are a few vocal minorities that raise this spamadvertising question and a vocal minority that fully supports the billboarding spamadvertisers like Goldenburger. So be it. Let the majority have what the majority does not address. The Not So Fine Art Of Google – Go To Top Of Thread http://makeashorterlink.com/?E29A321E6

  Response:

  Folks: Sorry this is a few days late but I have been dealing with ISP issues with Seacruise website. For those that can not access the website the server is in the process of being moved in the coming days. There should be no problems when this move takes place. The Cruise Review Archive has 1 new review since the last posting of the Charter, they include. Feb 23 2004 Carnival Ecstasy Phil Seacruise rec.travel.cruises (unmoderated) CHARTER Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. Rec.travel.cruises will: 1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within postings). 2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of veteran cruises. 3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs to be familiar with. An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the FAQ’s. In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to rec.travel.cruises not be crossposted to rec.travel or the other travel newsgroups. End of Charter Link to the FAQ — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our charter bit the dust many moons ago — http://www.seacruisereviews.com Link to the Group cruise pages  — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm — Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) I did not object to the object. 2) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

  Response:

  >argumentative nature

  Okay, I will never argue with others about which cruise, destination(s), ship or line is better or worse -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

  Response:

  Folks: Sorry this is a few days late but I have been dealing with ISP issues with Seacruise website. For those that can not access the website the server is in the process of being moved in the coming days. There should be no problems when this move takes place. The Cruise Review Archive has 1 new review since the last posting of the Charter, they include. Feb 23 2004 Carnival Ecstasy Phil Seacruise rec.travel.cruises (unmoderated) CHARTER Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. Rec.travel.cruises will: 1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within postings). 2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of veteran cruises. 3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs to be familiar with. An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the FAQ’s. In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to rec.travel.cruises not be crossposted to rec.travel or the other travel newsgroups. End of Charter Link to the FAQ — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our charter bit the dust many moons ago — http://www.seacruisereviews.com Link to the Group cruise pages  — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm — Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) I did not object to the object. 2) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

  Response:

  >argumentative nature

  Okay, I will never argue with others about which cruise, destination(s), ship or line is better or worse -Heather Remove CanOspam to email http://members.aol.com/nookeybear/index1.htm

  Response:

  Folks:     I would like to Thank those that have agreed to write articles etc. for the FAQ’s. While no one has agreed to take on the FAQ them self at this point I am hoping someone will step forward.     The Cruise Review Archive has 8 new reviews since the last posting of the Charter, they include. Feb 4 2004 Carnival Spirit Feb 9 2004 Carnival Fascination Feb 10 2004 Holland America Oosterdam Feb 10 2004 Royal Caribbean Radiance of the Seas Feb 11 2004 Royal Caribbean  Radiance of the Seas Feb 13 2004 Carnival Legend Feb 13 2004 Carnival Legend Feb 13 2004 Holland America Zuiderdam Phil Seacruise rec.travel.cruises (unmoderated) CHARTER Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. Rec.travel.cruises will: 1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within postings). 2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of veteran cruises. 3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs to be familiar with. An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the FAQ’s. In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to rec.travel.cruises not be crossposted to rec.travel or the other travel newsgroups. End of Charter Link to the FAQ — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our charter bit the dust many moons ago — http://www.seacruisereviews.com Link to the Group cruise pages  — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm — Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) He could lead if he could get the lead out. 2) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.

  Response:

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Rec.travel.cruises will: >1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a >cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome >to the group and are >encouraged to participate in the discussion provided that there shall be >no overt solicitation of business within postings). >2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of >veteran cruises. >3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once >he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as >cruise ship dress codes, >dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore excursions and tipping >are all topics that the first time cruiser needs to be familiar with.

  4. Provide RTC TA’s with the opportunity to abuse the spirit of the Charter with spamadvertising. Which brings us to crux of the matter. The Charter is a written, toothless document that is defined by the participants of RTC and by their show of (dis)approval of activities including TA spamadvertising. It is my take that the majority of RTCers are either apathetic to the constant spamadvertising, worn out by it or could care less about the issue. There are a few vocal minorities that raise this spamadvertising question and a vocal minority that fully supports the billboarding spamadvertisers like Goldenburger. So be it. Let the majority have what the majority does not address. The Not So Fine Art Of Google – Go To Top Of Thread http://makeashorterlink.com/?E29A321E6

  Response:

  Folks: I avoided posting the Charter yesterday due to all the info being posted about the tragic accident on the QM2. The Cruise Review Archive has 7 new reviews since the last posting of the Charter, they include. Nov. 2 2003 Carnival Inspiration Nov. 5 2003  Royal Olympia Odysseus Nov. 6 2003 Norwegian Dawn Nov. 6 2003 Princess Tahitian Nov. 6 2003 Carnival  Elation Nov. 8 2003 Celebrity  Millennium Nov. 11 2003  Norwegian Sea Phil Seacruise rec.travel.cruises (unmoderated) CHARTER Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. Rec.travel.cruises will: 1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within postings). 2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of veteran cruises. 3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs to be familiar with. An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the FAQ’s. In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to rec.travel.cruises not be cross posted to rec.travel or the other travel newsgroups. End of Charter Link to the FAQ — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our charter bit the dust many moons ago — http://www.seacruisereviews.com Link to the Group cruise pages  — http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm — Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

  Response:

  What some people will go to get around the RTC Charter policy of no advertising for TA’s. Hypocrite – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Folks: >I avoided posting the Charter yesterday due to all the info being posted >about the tragic accident on the QM2. >The Cruise Review Archive has 7 new reviews since the last posting of >the Charter, they include. >Nov. 2 2003 Carnival Inspiration >Nov. 5 2003  Royal Olympia Odysseus >Nov. 6 2003 Norwegian Dawn >Nov. 6 2003 Princess Tahitian >Nov. 6 2003 Carnival  Elation >Nov. 8 2003 Celebrity  Millennium >Nov. 11 2003  Norwegian Sea >Phil >Seacruise >rec.travel.cruises >(unmoderated) >CHARTER >Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information >and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not >be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and >lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise >ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship >personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. >Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly >welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money >back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. >cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own >cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise >industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion >will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. >Rec.travel.cruises will: >1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a >cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome >to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion >provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within >postings). >2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of >veteran cruises. >3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once >he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as >cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore >excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs >to be familiar with. >An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. >These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). >Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write >reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the >FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking >into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive >listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the >FAQ’s. >In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion >on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific >cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming >personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly >urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a >minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to >rec.travel.cruises not be cross posted to rec.travel or the other travel >newsgroups. >End of Charter >Link to the FAQ — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm >Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our >charter bit the dust many moons ago — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com >Link to the Group cruise pages  — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm >Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm

  Response:

  I think you lost me on this one, but coming from you, you loose allot of people with your comments. Phil Seacruise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > What some people will go to get around the RTC Charter policy of no > advertising for TA’s. > Hypocrite >Folks: >I avoided posting the Charter yesterday due to all the info being posted >about the tragic accident on the QM2. >The Cruise Review Archive has 7 new reviews since the last posting of >the Charter, they include. >Nov. 2 2003 Carnival Inspiration >Nov. 5 2003  Royal Olympia Odysseus >Nov. 6 2003 Norwegian Dawn >Nov. 6 2003 Princess Tahitian >Nov. 6 2003 Carnival  Elation >Nov. 8 2003 Celebrity  Millennium >Nov. 11 2003  Norwegian Sea >Phil >Seacruise >rec.travel.cruises >(unmoderated) >CHARTER >Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information >and support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not >be limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and >lines, ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise >ship activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship >personnel, cruise ship management and the future of cruise ship travel. >Discussions related to getting the best deals on cruises will be highly >welcome. Such discussions might include early vs. late bookings, money >back guarantees, cruise protection insurance, the use of general vs. >cruise specific travel agencies and strategies for booking your own >cruises. Any topic that relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise >industry itself could be subject for discussion. In addition, discussion >will be allowed on the history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel. >Rec.travel.cruises will: >1.    Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a >cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are welcome >to the group and are encouraged to participate in the discussion >provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of business within >postings). >2.    Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of >veteran cruises. >3.    Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect once >he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such topics as >cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions, shopping, booking shore >excursions and tipping are all topics that the first time cruiser needs >to be familiar with. >An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruises files. >These files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ’s). >Members of the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write >reviews of their experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the >FTP site and will serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking >into sailing on the same ship or itinerary. In addition, a comprehensive >listing of all cruise ships and lines will be maintained as part of the >FAQ’s. >In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion >on all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable criticism of specific >cruise ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming >personal vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly >urged to keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a >minimum. Finally, it is requested that articles posted to >rec.travel.cruises not be cross posted to rec.travel or the other travel >newsgroups. >End of Charter >Link to the FAQ — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/faq.htm >Link to the Cruise Review Archives since the FTP site mentioned in our >charter bit the dust many moons ago — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com >Link to the Group cruise pages  — >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtcgroupcruises.htm >Link to the RTC History — for your bedtime reading pleasure >http://www.seacruisereviews.com/rtchistory.htm

  – Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

  Response:

  >I think you lost me on this one, but coming from you, you loose allot of >people with your comments. >Phil >Seacruise > What some people will go to get around the RTC Charter policy of no > advertising for TA’s. > Hypocrite

  Let me make it plain so that you won’t "loose allot" anymore. You posted the Charter and included your ad/sig line for no other reason that to expose your business to an international market of known cruisers who you want to sell cruises, etc to. I’ll give you a second and let that sink in. You used the Charter posting as your excuse to advertise your business. The Charter prohibits advertising. I’ll give you a minute and let that sink in. You have now established yourself as the Ultimate RTC Hypocrite Among TA’s. I’ll give you a life and let that sink in.

  Response:

  Hey Queenie: Maybe you should do some research before you insert BOTH feet into your mouth. . Seacruise is the first Cruise Chat Channel that was started in 1996. We are a non profit group that accepts no advertising or no money from Travel Agents. All moneys are free will donations from those on Seacruise. Seacruise agreed to keep the Charter and Post the Charter several years ago. As part of the Charter there is suppose to be a FTP site for reviews. Since FTP sites are pretty much a thing of the past http://seacruisereviews was born.     As a matter of clarification SeacruiseReviews (Steve) also posts Group Cruises submitted to him as one post. You see there was a problem with Spam on RTC and it was agreed upon that Seacruise would provide this service FREE OF CHARGE to those that use it in one simple message. We accept nothing in return, except a simple Thank You.     SeacruiseChat and SeacruiseReviews gains NOTHING.     We are doing RTC a service and if you had done some research on Google you would have found this out, but you didn’t. Now I am going to suggest that you visit the links I listed and tell me where we are a business? Also visit this link http://seacruisereviews.com/rtccharter.htm and read the top of the page. I hope this clarifies any misunderstanding you have on what Seacruise is or about. Phil Seacruise Channel Manager > You posted the Charter and included your ad/sig line for no other reason > that to expose your business to an international market of known cruisers > who you want to sell cruises, etc to. > I’ll give you a second and let that sink in. > You used the Charter posting as your excuse to advertise your business. The > Charter prohibits advertising.

  – Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

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  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I think you lost me on this one, but coming from you, you loose allot of >people with your comments. >Phil >Seacruise >> What some people will go to get around the RTC Charter policy of no >> advertising for TA’s. >> Hypocrite >Let me make it plain so that you won’t "loose allot" anymore. >You posted the Charter and included your ad/sig line for no other >reason that to expose your business to an international market of >known cruisers who you want to sell cruises, etc to. >I’ll give you a second and let that sink in. >You used the Charter posting as your excuse to advertise your >business. The Charter prohibits advertising. >I’ll give you a minute and let that sink in. >You have now established yourself as the Ultimate RTC Hypocrite Among >TA’s. >I’ll give you a life and let that sink in.

  Whoosh!   That was the sound of reality slipping through your fingertips, Queenie. Trahn Where are the weapons of mass destruction?

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  > I’ll give you a second and let that sink in.

  I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted? — Klecko’s Komrades.  All the way in 2003

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  >Hey Queenie: >Maybe you should do some research before you insert BOTH feet into your >mouth. .

  Here is all the "research" I need. http://www.seacruisereviews.com/links.htm Advertising, pure and simple. You can spin it anyway you way, Phillie, but this link above says it all.

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  >I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted?

  Two fingers.

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  >> I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted? > Two fingers.

  me.  Enquiring minds want to know.  Or at least my one insane mind does. — Klecko’s Komrades.  All the way in 2003

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  Queenie: Sorry to disagree here with you but I think you better go back and do some research here BEFORE you open up that yap of yours. You have been famous for posting messages without ANY research at all, and once again you proved yourself again as a fool. Go back in Google and do some research as to why this came about and then maybe just maybe you will understand…..opps I forgot you will NEVER understand as you think your point of view is always correct.     I could try and explain how spam posts started to run amuck on here and how a change to the Charter was impossible. A compromise was suggested and Seacruise was asked if they would once again step in and help. We did and the problems since then have been kept down to almost nil when compared to other newsgroups. So you have yet to tell me how I or Seacruise make ANY money off of this? Either put up or shut up. Seacruise is proud to have one of the founding people of RTC as one of it’s crew. Sorry Queenie you are out of your league on this one. We are just doing as the majority on RTC want. Phil Seacruise Channel Manager – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey Queenie: >Maybe you should do some research before you insert BOTH feet into your >mouth. . > Here is all the "research" I need. > http://www.seacruisereviews.com/links.htm > Advertising, pure and simple. > You can spin it anyway you way, Phillie, but this link above says it > all.

  – Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

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  >Queenie: >Sorry to disagree here with you but I think you better go back and do some >research here BEFORE you open up that yap of yours.

  Here is all the "research" I need.  http://www.seacruisereviews.com/links.htm  Advertising, pure and simple. You can spin it anyway you way, Phillie, but this link above says it  all. Amazing how you and the TA’s on this board will fight tooth and nail for your thinly disguised attempts to play within the Charter that all of you so highly regard….and then piss all over daily on this newsgroup. >Sorry Queenie you are out of your league on this one. We are just doing as >the majority on RTC want.

  I missed that vote, Phil. Would you post the results again for all to see?

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  >>> I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted? > Two fingers.

  You’re not a "breast man" are you Hobbes? >   Come on now,  ya gotta tell >me.  Enquiring minds want to know.  Or at least my one insane mind does.

  Two fingers is all that Hubby can get BETWEEN  my two. Mystery solved.

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  >>>I gotta know.  Just how full is fullbreasted? >Two fingers. >"Two fingers"?? ><signed> >Karens, looking down her shirt

  Yeah but you got that cute thing going on there. http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html More courage than I have.

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  >>http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html >More courage than I have. >I just wish I ‘d have gotten another one when we were in the South >Pacific.  What a great souvenir that would have been.

  Did you have to stay out of the sun? I was under the impression that you had to.

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  >Next time, we’ll do it at the end of the trip and sit on the plane for >13 hours with new tattoos

  Neat. I can hear Hans now. "Karens, I have a new line to get you to join the Mile High Club. Lemme see yours, I’ll let you see mine."

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  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html >>> More courage than I have. >> I just wish I ‘d have gotten another one when we were in the South >> Pacific.  What a great souvenir that would have been. > Did you have to stay out of the sun? I was under the impression that > you had to. > Yes, that’s why we skipped it last time.  We were in Papeete for the > first few days of our trip before the cruise (this was on Ren), and we > would have had to stay out of the water for the first three-five days. > Next time, we’ll do it at the end of the trip and sit on the plane for > 13 hours with new tattoos > Karen

  Nice tattoo … I don’t have pictures of mine. On one of our previous cruises one of our tablemates got a tattoo in Mexico … She missed dinner that night, as she was a wee bit intoxicated celebrating the new tattoo. Cathy

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  >>>>http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html

  Cool tattoo, Karen. Howie – benchin today.

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  >Nice tattoo … I don’t have pictures of mine. >On one of our previous cruises one of our tablemates got a tattoo in >Mexico … She missed dinner that night, as she was a wee bit intoxicated >celebrating the new tattoo.

  That’s different. Most stories are about people getting drunk and THEN getting a tattoo. LOL

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>>http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked/tattoo.html >Cool tattoo, Karen. > Thanks, Howard! >Howie – benchin today. > Go for it! > Karen, sitting very still in damp and dreary North Jersey

  Now that I’ve seen your tattoo and I know you’re a night owl when cruising, I have one more question.  Do you and Hans like to boogie? Howie – enervated

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  > You’re not a "breast man" are you Hobbes?

  Heck yes I am!  My whole life revolves around them! LOL > Two fingers is all that Hubby can get BETWEEN  my two.

  Ahhhh…  I see, said the blind man. — Klecko’s Komrades.  All the way in 2003

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  >> On one of our previous cruises one of our tablemates got a tattoo in > Mexico … She missed dinner that night, as she was a wee bit intoxicated > celebrating the new tattoo. > Gee, I missed that part  I just went home and put "bag balm" > (don’t ask) on it, as instructed. > Karen

  I made the mistake of inviting 2 girlfriends along when I had my last tattoo. They had both wanted one, but one of them was so freaked out by watching me that she’ll never get one. The other one waited 2-3 years and finally got one of her own. They are addicting. I’m planning my third … Cathy

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  > "Boogie" as in . . . ?

  Move your legs, hips, pelvis, butt, arms, hands, and/or feet to a smooth or driving beat.

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  >> "Boogie" as in . . . ? >Move your legs, hips, pelvis, butt, arms, hands, and/or feet to a smooth >or driving meat.

  LOL

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  Queenie: > Amazing how you and the TA’s on this board will fight tooth and nail > for your thinly disguised attempts to play within the Charter that all > of you so highly regard….and then piss all over daily on this > newsgroup.

  I don’t need  to fight tooth and nail as you put it. Seacruise is doing a service for RTC and till we are told otherwise we will continue to do it. > Would you post the results again for all to see?

  No need to, I know what the results are and most do here, why should I do YOUR research that you should have done before you stuffed BOTH FEET into your mouth again. Now I have asked you twice where I or anyone one else on Seacruise makes any money on this. You have accused Seacruise as being a business and I have asked you to show me. Since you can not provide any evidence I  suggest you shut up when you don’t have the facts. Sorry Queenie this is game set and match. Your out of your league on this one. Phil Seacruise Channel Manager — Seacruise http://www.seacruisechat.com Canal Cam Schedule http://www.seacruisechat.com/panamacanal/ Cruise Review Archive http://www.seacruisereviews.com English you say? 1) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 2) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

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  No comments tattoo picture
  
  

• GGC2204 Radiance Review Part I ~Warning-Long!

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  What a wonderful cruise! Our first GGC and we had a ball! So many nice and fun loving people; it was a pleasure to meet them all. Peter and Judy did a first class job putting this group cruise together.. Embarkation: Fastest of 21 cruises~if it took longer than three-four minutes, you had to have tripped and dropped all your docs. Really, we walked right up, picked up our ship account cards, which were also used as room keys and ID when reboarding the ship and a map of the ship and immediately boarded.. Cabin: We had a balcony midship which was convenient to everything~elevators, atrium and not far from the dining areas and casino. The cabin was furnished tastefully and included a king bed made up of two beds together, a large sized sofa and very small coffee table. A drape mid-cabin could be used as a divider making two separate areas if  one of us wanted to watch TV while the other wanted to sleep.. The storage space did not at first appear to be adequate, as there was one closet, but there were many shelves and drawers to make up for it. The safe was a key in number one and there was a mini bar below that was stocked with Cokes and Sprite which really never was very cold~~if you put something in it, it would keep it cool and not much more. The bathroom was small but adequate and had a semi-circle shower area. It had a shampoo wall holder and the shower head was removable. The water temperature and force were fine once you got the drift of how to adjust the shower control. Only shampoo and bars of soap were provided as amenities. No lotion or hair conditioner.Hair dryer was in the desk drawer. The  balcony was a nice size with two chairs and small table. The balcony had a cork like floor. We were on the port side and got the sun early in the morning  and shade in the afternoon which suited us perfectly. Our cabin stewardess, Emily, was from Trinidad, Tobago and a jewel~always pleasant with a slight sing song accent.. Ship: The Radiance is a beautiful ship with a delightful ambiance.. I was pleased with her colors of  beige, maroon and many shades of blue. There was a great deal of light colored wood~very attractive decorating the elevators and balconies of each deck. I felt very much at home~there was a comfortable feeling about her. She also was kept very clean. Crew: Very friendly and helpful. Always there in the Windjammer Cafe to bring you whatever you needed or forgot. Our wait staff, Benedick and his assistant, Jerry~both from the Philippines, were great. They got a kick out of the antics at our table and were always smiling and had a very good sense of humor.. Captain Kent Ringborn (from Sweden) has to be the friendliest and best looking captain on the seas! He welcomed us on the first formal night by breaking out in song!  He had one marvelous baritone voice that just resonated the entire room. Another very nice touch~he stopped by all the dining room tables on Wednesday night and chatted briefly~first time a captain has done that on any of our 21 cruises. It is obvious that he is a *people* person and enjoys being around others. Food: This is subjective and just my opinion. The food in the Windjammer Buffet was very good. Lots of selections and plenty of fruit of all kinds.  Plenty of vegetables both raw and cooked. The doughnuts were the yeast type with icing and there was a raisin-citron bread that was sooo good. There were other fruit filled pastries and desserts which were very tasty. There was a good selection of entrees, although we ate most of our lunches and breakfasts there and did not try them.  Soup, salad and dessert was what I usually had at lunch. Once I had an egg salad sandwich and a tuna salad sandwich which appeared to have been made on a long loaf of French bread and cut in sections. There was plenty of ice cream from the machines on both sides of the cafe. Food in the dining room was good but not as good as it was on the Carnival Pride. The hot and cold soups were good, but somehow the entree offerings were not as appetizing. The presentation was attractive but it lacked the savory flavor even though most of it was quite spice laden . As I said, that is just my opinion. The dining room was attractive, we were on the upper level at a table for ten, where we could view the lower dining room from where we sat. Our tablemates could not have been better if we had chosen them, which in a way we did ..I’ll cover that a little later.. Library: BIG disappointment~very few books and none of the kind that we would care to read, so it was fortunate that we brought our own~not that we got much reading done! Entertainment: I cannot give an overall opinion because we just attended one comedy show with two comedians and we left early because they were not all that funny. I understand from hearing others talk, that the first night entertainment was the best. Ship’s Shops: I found them quite well stocked and with quite a few things that I have not seen available on other ships. Nice large shopping area. Photos: Too many photo ops everywhere one turned. We did not buy any because of the size. We like the album that holds 4×6 photos and they printed all large sized ones. So I just took a lot of photos with our camera.  Key West: We had intended to set out with Lloyd, George, Mary, Becca, Steve and some others, but not setting the time and place to meet the night before, that fell through.  Erm, Ed and I set out to do some shopping.  Bill wanted to just relax on the ship.. Ed finally found a hat he liked and Erm tried to get me to get a tattoo on our ankles (the kind that come off in a week.) She even had the guy talked down to a good rate for the both of us and I chickened out! LOL! She’s a charmer that one! We then proceeded on a six block hike to find the Blond Giraffe to supposedly taste the best key lime pie in Key West. Well, it turned out to be a very small place with a place to sit in front and we ended up getting key lime pie on a stick. Frozen covered with chocolate. Erm and Ed both did not care for theirs but I loved mine! Was disappointed, as on the internet they advertise selling a book on giraffes that I wanted to get; being I collect them and they did not have it nor the key lime cake that I wanted to bring home. Long walk back followed by many shop drop-ins. to Ed’s chagrin I like Key West. Roatan: Was one of my very favorite ports because of the visit to the orphanage. We met Jo-Ann, Bob and quite a few others at the pier entrance. We were so pleased to see that so many people responded to Jo-Ann’s appeal to bring things for the children. Along with cash, there were stuffed animals, puzzles, diapers, medical supplies, baseball bats, baseballs, school supplies, crayons and some people had put things in suitcases that they gave away along with the things in them. There were some very generous and kind people in this group and it was very evident that morning. We drove (six of us) with Brad, the orphanage director, in a pick up truck to the orphanage. Roatan is really a beautiful unspoiled island, but already, there are signs that that will change because large tracts of land have been bought up and are for sale at very high prices. Here and there, we saw resorts already open and some of the moneyed people have built huge lovely homes high on the hill with beautiful ocean views. The orphanage is on a hill with a lovely view of the ocean and is exactly as it looks on the site posted on rtc a few weeks ago. They have a screened in porch where little Anna~ nick-named "Anna-Banana,"( the little 6 yr.old Down Syndrome child who had lived in a chicken coop) and little Brendan (about 3-4) were playing, watched over by a very nice young man in his late teens~I’m awful about remembering names~so I hope some one who remembers his name will jump in and tell~anyway he was a volunteer who is spending a few months helping out. The area around the orphanage is all red soil similar to what you see in Georgia. Construction of a tall retainer wall was in progress. Beyond this wall, was a very large area which Brad envisions as a baseball field one day. It was all cleared and just needs grass. I think he also mentioned a basketball area, too. Brad and his wife are a lovely, decent and very dedicated couple and the determination that they have to make life so much better for those children is awesome, very heartwarming and inspiring. We all took off our shoes before we entered because of the red soil and found the floor, made up of 18" square lt.gray ceramic type tiles~ squeaky clean. Right on the entry wall was a large photo of each child living there. We visited with Anna and Brendan and had our pictures taken with them. Brendan and I became buddies and he held on to my hand during most of the tour of the facility.We took pictures and Brendan would not smile and we teased him about it and I told him that I bet he was hiding some pretty teeth and asked to see them and when he showed them, I told him that I just knew that he had beautiful teeth and he finally smiled for us! Brad showed us a nice large living area and a kitchen which was poorly supplied as far as appliances go and they are hoping to remedy that soon. Then we went upstairs to see the bedrooms. The children decorated their doors with crayon drawings and the bunk beds were sturdy wooden pine- like ones and the rooms were very homey and had bookcases and colorful accessories here and there. As we passed the boys’ bathroom which was all in blue with a counter row of sinks, there stood little Brendan on a stool, brushing his teeth!! What a cutie~he took all that fuss over his teeth to heart and was making sure his teeth looked nice! I would have loved to tuck that little one in one of our suitcases and brought him home. He followed me around with a book that had words of a thing on one side and that thing was hidden in a picture on the opposite page. I would read the word and he would point to the animal or thing in the … read more »

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  Sorry! I meant to say GGC2004! Wow am I ahead of myself! –Jean

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  Sorry! Meant to say GGC2004! –Jean

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  Jean, Thank you  for a wonderful report. S’nd I

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  > Jean, > Thank you  for a wonderful report.

  You’re quite welcome, Sunny. What I failed to mention was that it was ship that was very easy for the handicapped to get around on. Several people who were on scooters were very pleased about that.The crew was seemed very attentive to their needs. Sometimes Benedick would cheerfully hop on Vicki’s or Barb’s scooter and drive it to our table! –Jean

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  I guess you were in a time warp and Erm was on another ship….and neither of you noticed. The Not So Fine Art Of Google – Go To Top Of Thread http://makeashorterlink.com/?E29A321E6

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  LOL That’s what happens when you keep sticking your head in the microwave, SUNSET. Any apologies coming soon to Warren Davis? Naw, didn’t think so. The Not So Fine Art Of Google – Go To Top Of Thread http://makeashorterlink.com/?E29A321E6

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  What an excellent "Part One" review of your GGC "Radiance" cruise.  It was nice to read your personal observations which made your review lively…..not just a description of the various public rooms. I especially appreciated reading about the excursion to the Roatan orphanage.  That was very special and I am glad that all of you good people were able to, not only contribute, but also see first hand.   Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise.

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  > Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? > Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all > nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise.

  Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a delight. Becca  <—–and Ed isn’t so bad himself… Mariner of the Seas 3/04 Norwegian Dawn http://www.cruisemaster.com/dawn.htm Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/

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  >>Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? >Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all >nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise. > Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some > day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. > Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a > delight. > Becca  <—–and Ed isn’t so bad himself…

  Hi Becca, Welcome home!! I have to agree with you about Jean and Ed. I had the pleasure of cruising with them and geting to know them on the SGC2003 and I can’t wait to see them on the Rhapsody of the Sea at the end of this month. sue

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  >> Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? > Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all > nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise. >Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some >day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. >Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a >delight. >Becca  <—–and Ed isn’t so bad himself…

  He’s especially handsome in his newly acquired hat!  We has such fun shopping that day in Key West, but Jean turned into a real wet blanket at the mere mention of a tatoo!  <grin> Ermalee <—never wants to see another frozen key lime thingee

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  > I have to agree with you about Jean and Ed. I had the >pleasure of cruising with them and geting to know them on the SGC2003 >and I can’t wait to see them on the Rhapsody of the Sea at the end of >this month. >sue

  Well, Sue, if you go shopping with her before the first formal night, I hope you have better shopping suggestions than I did.  She wouldn’t go for any of the  beautiful sheer stuff that I would have selected. Ermalee <—–meaning really sheer (tiny too)

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? >>Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all >>nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise. >Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some >day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. >Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a >delight. >Becca  <—–and Ed isn’t so bad himself… > He’s especially handsome in his newly acquired hat!  We has such fun shopping > that day in Key West, but Jean turned into a real wet > blanket at the mere mention of a tatoo!  <grin>

  Now Ed better bring that hat on the Mardi Gras cruise, so I can see what you are talking about(grin). sue

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  >>I have to agree with you about Jean and Ed. I had the >pleasure of cruising with them and geting to know them on the SGC2003 >and I can’t wait to see them on the Rhapsody of the Sea at the end of >this month. >sue > Well, Sue, if you go shopping with her before the first > formal night, I hope you have better shopping suggestions > than I did.  She wouldn’t go for any of the  beautiful sheer stuff > that I would have selected. > Ermalee <—–meaning really sheer (tiny too)

  LOL…….tiny would work very well for Jean. I could work to get her some sheer stuff, would look very nice in NO on Mardi Gras day(grin). One of these years I hope that we will be able to cruise with you!! sue

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  We, too, had the pleasure of cruising with Jean and Ed on the Pride. DH and I hope to cruise with them again. S’nd I

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  > Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some > day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. > Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a > delight.

  LOL Becca! You are such a morale booster~but please tell me what to do with those six*tiny* pounds that I gained on the cruise?? (Those darn desserts!) Thank you for the very nice compliments, you are a sweetie.  Speaking of zest for life, you are a great example of that yourself~~wish I could scuba and do all the beach activities that you can. At this stage in life, I guess that is not possible even though our scuba diving son tells me that there is a 79 year old woman who is in his scuba diving group and he keeps after me to take classes~me who can’t swim, yet!! Wasn’t GGC2004 great?  We should have renamed it the GGGC 2004. (Great Grand Group Cruise) It was wonderful seeing you again and meeting so many new friends. –Jean<~~hoping that I’ll be sailing with Becca again, very soon.

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  > Well, Sue, if you go shopping with her before the first > formal night, I hope you have better shopping suggestions > than I did.  She wouldn’t go for any of the  beautiful sheer stuff > that I would have selected. > Ermalee <—–meaning really sheer (tiny too)

  Sue, you have to be very careful when you go shopping with Erm! She’ll dazzle and wheel and deal those salespeople and they are like putty in her hands. From tattoos to black play boy thongs with a tiny sheer less than a min-skirt! In the end, I agreed to buy one to wear on formal night if she did the same. It was a good thing Ed was there or who knows what kind of trouble she would have gotten me into! –Jean

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  > LOL…….tiny would work very well for Jean. I could work to get her > some sheer stuff, would look very nice in NO on Mardi Gras day(grin). > One of these years I hope that we will be able to cruise with you!!

  You don’t know what Erm means when she says tiny and sheer, Sue!  I’m afraid there would be a few heart attacks if I wore what she suggested! I really hope that you and Erm meet one day. I built up enough endorphins to last me at least six months of good health from all the laughing at our table. My sides hurt~~we had a great group at our table. Erm’s husband, Bill, is a sweet, gentle and quiet man, so Erm makes up for the two of them! Add Tobie and Barb Gerbrandt, Tom and Vicki Gauldin and Claudia to that mix and you are in for it~non-stop humor. –Jean<~~re-living fun times!

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  > We, too, had the pleasure of cruising with Jean and Ed on the Pride. DH > and I hope to cruise with them again.

  Sunny, I have stopped having birthdays, so it must be sooner than that! They say that you are as young as you feel and if I keep feeling this well, I’ll have to start back at age 41~the year I kept telling everyone that I was 42~~so I never lived age 41. Good place to stop having birthdays!   That will make Ermalee my mother –Jean,~~getting back at Erm for telling a clerk in Key West not to talk that way to her mother (meaning me!)

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  as long as you don’t tell the waiters to bring a cake!! or sing. — Sheree

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well, Sue, if you go shopping with her before the first >formal night, I hope you have better shopping suggestions >than I did.  She wouldn’t go for any of the  beautiful sheer stuff >that I would have selected. >Ermalee <—–meaning really sheer (tiny too) > Sue, you have to be very careful when you go shopping with Erm! She’ll > dazzle and wheel and deal those salespeople and they are like putty in her > hands. From tattoos to black play boy thongs with a tiny sheer less than a > min-skirt! In the end, I agreed to buy one to wear on formal night if she > did the same. It was a good thing Ed was there or who knows what kind of > trouble she would have gotten me into!

  Sounds like you had some fun!! What kind of hat did Ed buy?? Be sure to tell him to bring it on the Rhapsody. sue

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  > as long as you don’t tell the waiters to bring a cake!! or sing.

  ROTFL…….thanks Sheree I needed a laugh tonight!! sue

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  > as long as you don’t tell the waiters to bring a cake!! or sing.

  Yeah, Little Miss Innocence!!! ;-D Jean<~~~remembering another fun cruise.

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  > Sounds like you had some fun!! What kind of hat did Ed buy?? Be sure to > tell him to bring it on the Rhapsody.

  A Panama style but in an light olive green with some mesh material in it. With his sensitivity to the sun he had to get one that shaded his ears, so he got something bigger than what he usually wears. –Jean

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  >>Sounds like you had some fun!! What kind of hat did Ed buy?? Be sure to >tell him to bring it on the Rhapsody. > A Panama style but in an light olive green with some mesh material in it. > With his sensitivity to the sun he had to get one that shaded his ears, so > he got something bigger than what he usually wears.

  Sounds cool. I think Ed is going to have to watch out for Kevin, he loves hats(grin). sue

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  What a wonderful cruise! Our first GGC and we had a ball! So many nice and fun loving people; it was a pleasure to meet them all. Peter and Judy did a first class job putting this group cruise together.. Embarkation: Fastest of 21 cruises~if it took longer than three-four minutes, you had to have tripped and dropped all your docs. Really, we walked right up, picked up our ship account cards, which were also used as room keys and ID when reboarding the ship and a map of the ship and immediately boarded.. Cabin: We had a balcony midship which was convenient to everything~elevators, atrium and not far from the dining areas and casino. The cabin was furnished tastefully and included a king bed made up of two beds together, a large sized sofa and very small coffee table. A drape mid-cabin could be used as a divider making two separate areas if  one of us wanted to watch TV while the other wanted to sleep.. The storage space did not at first appear to be adequate, as there was one closet, but there were many shelves and drawers to make up for it. The safe was a key in number one and there was a mini bar below that was stocked with Cokes and Sprite which really never was very cold~~if you put something in it, it would keep it cool and not much more. The bathroom was small but adequate and had a semi-circle shower area. It had a shampoo wall holder and the shower head was removable. The water temperature and force were fine once you got the drift of how to adjust the shower control. Only shampoo and bars of soap were provided as amenities. No lotion or hair conditioner.Hair dryer was in the desk drawer. The  balcony was a nice size with two chairs and small table. The balcony had a cork like floor. We were on the port side and got the sun early in the morning  and shade in the afternoon which suited us perfectly. Our cabin stewardess, Emily, was from Trinidad, Tobago and a jewel~always pleasant with a slight sing song accent.. Ship: The Radiance is a beautiful ship with a delightful ambiance.. I was pleased with her colors of  beige, maroon and many shades of blue. There was a great deal of light colored wood~very attractive decorating the elevators and balconies of each deck. I felt very much at home~there was a comfortable feeling about her. She also was kept very clean. Crew: Very friendly and helpful. Always there in the Windjammer Cafe to bring you whatever you needed or forgot. Our wait staff, Benedick and his assistant, Jerry~both from the Philippines, were great. They got a kick out of the antics at our table and were always smiling and had a very good sense of humor.. Captain Kent Ringborn (from Sweden) has to be the friendliest and best looking captain on the seas! He welcomed us on the first formal night by breaking out in song!  He had one marvelous baritone voice that just resonated the entire room. Another very nice touch~he stopped by all the dining room tables on Wednesday night and chatted briefly~first time a captain has done that on any of our 21 cruises. It is obvious that he is a *people* person and enjoys being around others. Food: This is subjective and just my opinion. The food in the Windjammer Buffet was very good. Lots of selections and plenty of fruit of all kinds.  Plenty of vegetables both raw and cooked. The doughnuts were the yeast type with icing and there was a raisin-citron bread that was sooo good. There were other fruit filled pastries and desserts which were very tasty. There was a good selection of entrees, although we ate most of our lunches and breakfasts there and did not try them.  Soup, salad and dessert was what I usually had at lunch. Once I had an egg salad sandwich and a tuna salad sandwich which appeared to have been made on a long loaf of French bread and cut in sections. There was plenty of ice cream from the machines on both sides of the cafe. Food in the dining room was good but not as good as it was on the Carnival Pride. The hot and cold soups were good, but somehow the entree offerings were not as appetizing. The presentation was attractive but it lacked the savory flavor even though most of it was quite spice laden . As I said, that is just my opinion. The dining room was attractive, we were on the upper level at a table for ten, where we could view the lower dining room from where we sat. Our tablemates could not have been better if we had chosen them, which in a way we did ..I’ll cover that a little later.. Library: BIG disappointment~very few books and none of the kind that we would care to read, so it was fortunate that we brought our own~not that we got much reading done! Entertainment: I cannot give an overall opinion because we just attended one comedy show with two comedians and we left early because they were not all that funny. I understand from hearing others talk, that the first night entertainment was the best. Ship’s Shops: I found them quite well stocked and with quite a few things that I have not seen available on other ships. Nice large shopping area. Photos: Too many photo ops everywhere one turned. We did not buy any because of the size. We like the album that holds 4×6 photos and they printed all large sized ones. So I just took a lot of photos with our camera.  Key West: We had intended to set out with Lloyd, George, Mary, Becca, Steve and some others, but not setting the time and place to meet the night before, that fell through.  Erm, Ed and I set out to do some shopping.  Bill wanted to just relax on the ship.. Ed finally found a hat he liked and Erm tried to get me to get a tattoo on our ankles (the kind that come off in a week.) She even had the guy talked down to a good rate for the both of us and I chickened out! LOL! She’s a charmer that one! We then proceeded on a six block hike to find the Blond Giraffe to supposedly taste the best key lime pie in Key West. Well, it turned out to be a very small place with a place to sit in front and we ended up getting key lime pie on a stick. Frozen covered with chocolate. Erm and Ed both did not care for theirs but I loved mine! Was disappointed, as on the internet they advertise selling a book on giraffes that I wanted to get; being I collect them and they did not have it nor the key lime cake that I wanted to bring home. Long walk back followed by many shop drop-ins. to Ed’s chagrin I like Key West. Roatan: Was one of my very favorite ports because of the visit to the orphanage. We met Jo-Ann, Bob and quite a few others at the pier entrance. We were so pleased to see that so many people responded to Jo-Ann’s appeal to bring things for the children. Along with cash, there were stuffed animals, puzzles, diapers, medical supplies, baseball bats, baseballs, school supplies, crayons and some people had put things in suitcases that they gave away along with the things in them. There were some very generous and kind people in this group and it was very evident that morning. We drove (six of us) with Brad, the orphanage director, in a pick up truck to the orphanage. Roatan is really a beautiful unspoiled island, but already, there are signs that that will change because large tracts of land have been bought up and are for sale at very high prices. Here and there, we saw resorts already open and some of the moneyed people have built huge lovely homes high on the hill with beautiful ocean views. The orphanage is on a hill with a lovely view of the ocean and is exactly as it looks on the site posted on rtc a few weeks ago. They have a screened in porch where little Anna~ nick-named "Anna-Banana,"( the little 6 yr.old Down Syndrome child who had lived in a chicken coop) and little Brendan (about 3-4) were playing, watched over by a very nice young man in his late teens~I’m awful about remembering names~so I hope some one who remembers his name will jump in and tell~anyway he was a volunteer who is spending a few months helping out. The area around the orphanage is all red soil similar to what you see in Georgia. Construction of a tall retainer wall was in progress. Beyond this wall, was a very large area which Brad envisions as a baseball field one day. It was all cleared and just needs grass. I think he also mentioned a basketball area, too. Brad and his wife are a lovely, decent and very dedicated couple and the determination that they have to make life so much better for those children is awesome, very heartwarming and inspiring. We all took off our shoes before we entered because of the red soil and found the floor, made up of 18" square lt.gray ceramic type tiles~ squeaky clean. Right on the entry wall was a large photo of each child living there. We visited with Anna and Brendan and had our pictures taken with them. Brendan and I became buddies and he held on to my hand during most of the tour of the facility.We took pictures and Brendan would not smile and we teased him about it and I told him that I bet he was hiding some pretty teeth and asked to see them and when he showed them, I told him that I just knew that he had beautiful teeth and he finally smiled for us! Brad showed us a nice large living area and a kitchen which was poorly supplied as far as appliances go and they are hoping to remedy that soon. Then we went upstairs to see the bedrooms. The children decorated their doors with crayon drawings and the bunk beds were sturdy wooden pine- like ones and the rooms were very homey and had bookcases and colorful accessories here and there. As we passed the boys’ bathroom which was all in blue with a counter row of sinks, there stood little Brendan on a stool, brushing his teeth!! What a cutie~he took all that fuss over his teeth to heart and was making sure his teeth looked nice! I would have loved to tuck that little one in one of our suitcases and brought him home. He followed me around with a book that had words of a thing on one side and that thing was hidden in a picture on the opposite page. I would read the word and he would point to the animal or thing in the … read more »

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  Sorry! I meant to say GGC2004! Wow am I ahead of myself! –Jean

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  Sorry! Meant to say GGC2004! –Jean

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  Jean, Thank you  for a wonderful report. S’nd I

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  > Jean, > Thank you  for a wonderful report.

  You’re quite welcome, Sunny. What I failed to mention was that it was ship that was very easy for the handicapped to get around on. Several people who were on scooters were very pleased about that.The crew was seemed very attentive to their needs. Sometimes Benedick would cheerfully hop on Vicki’s or Barb’s scooter and drive it to our table! –Jean

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  I guess you were in a time warp and Erm was on another ship….and neither of you noticed. The Not So Fine Art Of Google – Go To Top Of Thread http://makeashorterlink.com/?E29A321E6

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  LOL That’s what happens when you keep sticking your head in the microwave, SUNSET. Any apologies coming soon to Warren Davis? Naw, didn’t think so. The Not So Fine Art Of Google – Go To Top Of Thread http://makeashorterlink.com/?E29A321E6

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  What an excellent "Part One" review of your GGC "Radiance" cruise.  It was nice to read your personal observations which made your review lively…..not just a description of the various public rooms. I especially appreciated reading about the excursion to the Roatan orphanage.  That was very special and I am glad that all of you good people were able to, not only contribute, but also see first hand.   Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise.

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  > Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? > Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all > nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise.

  Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a delight. Becca  <—–and Ed isn’t so bad himself… Mariner of the Seas 3/04 Norwegian Dawn http://www.cruisemaster.com/dawn.htm Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/

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  >>Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? >Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all >nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise. > Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some > day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. > Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a > delight. > Becca  <—–and Ed isn’t so bad himself…

  Hi Becca, Welcome home!! I have to agree with you about Jean and Ed. I had the pleasure of cruising with them and geting to know them on the SGC2003 and I can’t wait to see them on the Rhapsody of the Sea at the end of this month. sue

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  >> Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? > Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all > nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise. >Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some >day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. >Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a >delight. >Becca  <—–and Ed isn’t so bad himself…

  He’s especially handsome in his newly acquired hat!  We has such fun shopping that day in Key West, but Jean turned into a real wet blanket at the mere mention of a tatoo!  <grin> Ermalee <—never wants to see another frozen key lime thingee

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  > I have to agree with you about Jean and Ed. I had the >pleasure of cruising with them and geting to know them on the SGC2003 >and I can’t wait to see them on the Rhapsody of the Sea at the end of >this month. >sue

  Well, Sue, if you go shopping with her before the first formal night, I hope you have better shopping suggestions than I did.  She wouldn’t go for any of the  beautiful sheer stuff that I would have selected. Ermalee <—–meaning really sheer (tiny too)

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Jean, you write that you "get carried away"  with your reviews? >>Well…..of course, you should….that is what cruising is all >>nice moments from the GGC 2004 cruise. >Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some >day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. >Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a >delight. >Becca  <—–and Ed isn’t so bad himself… > He’s especially handsome in his newly acquired hat!  We has such fun shopping > that day in Key West, but Jean turned into a real wet > blanket at the mere mention of a tatoo!  <grin>

  Now Ed better bring that hat on the Mardi Gras cruise, so I can see what you are talking about(grin). sue

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  >>I have to agree with you about Jean and Ed. I had the >pleasure of cruising with them and geting to know them on the SGC2003 >and I can’t wait to see them on the Rhapsody of the Sea at the end of >this month. >sue > Well, Sue, if you go shopping with her before the first > formal night, I hope you have better shopping suggestions > than I did.  She wouldn’t go for any of the  beautiful sheer stuff > that I would have selected. > Ermalee <—–meaning really sheer (tiny too)

  LOL…….tiny would work very well for Jean. I could work to get her some sheer stuff, would look very nice in NO on Mardi Gras day(grin). One of these years I hope that we will be able to cruise with you!! sue

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  We, too, had the pleasure of cruising with Jean and Ed on the Pride. DH and I hope to cruise with them again. S’nd I

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  > Angelica, I hope you have the opportunity to cruise with Jean some > day.  She is a tiny little thing, but she has such a zest for life. > Reading her review gives you a hint of her personality.  She is a > delight.

  LOL Becca! You are such a morale booster~but please tell me what to do with those six*tiny* pounds that I gained on the cruise?? (Those darn desserts!) Thank you for the very nice compliments, you are a sweetie.  Speaking of zest for life, you are a great example of that yourself~~wish I could scuba and do all the beach activities that you can. At this stage in life, I guess that is not possible even though our scuba diving son tells me that there is a 79 year old woman who is in his scuba diving group and he keeps after me to take classes~me who can’t swim, yet!! Wasn’t GGC2004 great?  We should have renamed it the GGGC 2004. (Great Grand Group Cruise) It was wonderful seeing you again and meeting so many new friends. –Jean<~~hoping that I’ll be sailing with Becca again, very soon.

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  > Well, Sue, if you go shopping with her before the first > formal night, I hope you have better shopping suggestions > than I did.  She wouldn’t go for any of the  beautiful sheer stuff > that I would have selected. > Ermalee <—–meaning really sheer (tiny too)

  Sue, you have to be very careful when you go shopping with Erm! She’ll dazzle and wheel and deal those salespeople and they are like putty in her hands. From tattoos to black play boy thongs with a tiny sheer less than a min-skirt! In the end, I agreed to buy one to wear on formal night if she did the same. It was a good thing Ed was there or who knows what kind of trouble she would have gotten me into! –Jean

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  > LOL…….tiny would work very well for Jean. I could work to get her > some sheer stuff, would look very nice in NO on Mardi Gras day(grin). > One of these years I hope that we will be able to cruise with you!!

  You don’t know what Erm means when she says tiny and sheer, Sue!  I’m afraid there would be a few heart attacks if I wore what she suggested! I really hope that you and Erm meet one day. I built up enough endorphins to last me at least six months of good health from all the laughing at our table. My sides hurt~~we had a great group at our table. Erm’s husband, Bill, is a sweet, gentle and quiet man, so Erm makes up for the two of them! Add Tobie and Barb Gerbrandt, Tom and Vicki Gauldin and Claudia to that mix and you are in for it~non-stop humor. –Jean<~~re-living fun times!

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  > We, too, had the pleasure of cruising with Jean and Ed on the Pride. DH > and I hope to cruise with them again.

  Sunny, I have stopped having birthdays, so it must be sooner than that! They say that you are as young as you feel and if I keep feeling this well, I’ll have to start back at age 41~the year I kept telling everyone that I was 42~~so I never lived age 41. Good place to stop having birthdays!   That will make Ermalee my mother –Jean,~~getting back at Erm for telling a clerk in Key West not to talk that way to her mother (meaning me!)

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  as long as you don’t tell the waiters to bring a cake!! or sing. — Sheree

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  - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well, Sue, if you go shopping with her before the first >formal night, I hope you have better shopping suggestions >than I did.  She wouldn’t go for any of the  beautiful sheer stuff >that I would have selected. >Ermalee <—–meaning really sheer (tiny too) > Sue, you have to be very careful when you go shopping with Erm! She’ll > dazzle and wheel and deal those salespeople and they are like putty in her > hands. From tattoos to black play boy thongs with a tiny sheer less than a > min-skirt! In the end, I agreed to buy one to wear on formal night if she > did the same. It was a good thing Ed was there or who knows what kind of > trouble she would have gotten me into!

  Sounds like you had some fun!! What kind of hat did Ed buy?? Be sure to tell him to bring it on the Rhapsody. sue

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  > as long as you don’t tell the waiters to bring a cake!! or sing.

  ROTFL…….thanks Sheree I needed a laugh tonight!! sue

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  > as long as you don’t tell the waiters to bring a cake!! or sing.

  Yeah, Little Miss Innocence!!! ;-D Jean<~~~remembering another fun cruise.

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  > Sounds like you had some fun!! What kind of hat did Ed buy?? Be sure to > tell him to bring it on the Rhapsody.

  A Panama style but in an light olive green with some mesh material in it. With his sensitivity to the sun he had to get one that shaded his ears, so he got something bigger than what he usually wears. –Jean

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  >>Sounds like you had some fun!! What kind of hat did Ed buy?? Be sure to >tell him to bring it on the Rhapsody. > A Panama style but in an light olive green with some mesh material in it. > With his sensitivity to the sun he had to get one that shaded his ears, so > he got something bigger than what he usually wears.

  Sounds cool. I think Ed is going to have to watch out for Kevin, he loves hats(grin). sue

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