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  • Washington Post Article on Wedding Industry

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And I thought that the fact that we spent, oh, maybe $4,000 was a lot. >Jenrose > Well, to keep things SORT of in perspective, these figures for the > average total cost of  a wedding include the rings and the honeymoon, > often accounting for 1/2 or more of the total cost of the wedding. > And while for purely selfish reasons I might take exception to the > part about dumping the live band for a DeeJay <smile>, the > engraved wine-bottle stoppers as party favors and the watermelon > sculptures at the rehearsal picnic do seem to be a bit of an > extravagance, but then again, to each his/her own!  It’s what makes > each wedding unique.

    Heh. We spent $500 on live music for our wedding. Because, for that amount, we were able to hire our favorite musician, someone whose music and concerts had played an ongoing role in our friendship in its early days. And because music is very, very important to both of us. Given how the guests loved it and we enjoyed it, it was money well spent! I think our breakdown was something like: Music $500 Photos (mostly developing costs) $150 Clothing (for everyone, fabric, dye, thread, notions, shoes) $1100-$1300 Invitations and thank-yous: $300 (including postage) Food: You’ll have to ask Dad–I said budget $500, he said, "Leave it to me." I’d guess closer to $1000 went into it, that includes all food and cakes. Presents for attendants and helpers: $200 Church: $50 Childcare: $60 Helpers on the day-of: $60 And I don’t know exactly how much the honeymoon cost, but I’d guess about $1000. Rings: $600 total for all three. (Two heirlooms, one custom made) Keep in mind that’s what *EVERYONE* spent. The attendants reimbursed us for the fabric and bought their own shoes. My parents did the reception. My fiance did the honeymoon. I did invites, part of the dye and notion costs, his ring, childcare, photography. The greater investment was time… Mom was sewing every day for months. Dad was cooking for hours every week from a few months prior to the wedding. Invitations took several afternoons of "all hands" moving quickly. I’m floored at how willing and happy people were to just pitch in and help–they were glad to do it and seemed to really have fun with it. We had an indulgent wedding, but our indulgences took a lot of hard work! My father made all our favorite foods, and the raves from guests were amazing (One guy said, "The food was so good that I kept going back and hoping no one noticed…" I told him, "If we’d known, we would have sent you home with leftovers!" Another said, "I looked at it and realized I could get a full meal just from hors d’ouvres.") He did homemade chicken apple sausages and italian sausages. Chili Colorado roll-ups. We had three wedding cakes, two of which were showplace cakes and one which was adorable because the flower girls decorated it with colored marzipan bugs. Everyone wore silk–and I dyed clothes for every attendant and one of the guests by hand, myself. My mom sewed, with help, all the garments for the wedding party (10 people, 2-3 garments per person), plus herself, my dad, my aunt and a friend of hers. A friend arranged all our flowers, which she, my husband and I all picked the day before and day of the wedding. We had two close-to-professional photographers fill in for the professional friend who had to cancel, plus several amateurs helping out, to the tune of something like 750 wedding shots, and a hearty double handful of "great" photos among them. (At least one photo to be entered in a county fair). And we had fun. Would it have been more fun if we’d had a $5,000 honeymoon? I can’t imagine… We did exactly what we wanted, when we wanted and rarely thought about the cost on our honeymoon. Would I have liked a ring that cost $10,000 better than the heirloom I got? I doubt it. Would I have liked a dress that cost $1,500 or $15,000 better than the one I have? Heck no. When it came right down to it, money just wasn’t what our wedding was about. It was about the two of us and the things that brought us together and the things and people that make us happy. It wasn’t about meeting anyone’s expectations… not even mine! So many things about the day were different from how I thought they’d be, but it was really perfect. More money would not have made it more of what I expected and could not have improved it. Jenrose

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    And I thought that the fact that we spent, oh, maybe $4,000 was a lot. Jenrose

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    >And I thought that the fact that we spent, oh, maybe $4,000 was a lot. >Jenrose

    Well, to keep things SORT of in perspective, these figures for the average total cost of  a wedding include the rings and the honeymoon, often accounting for 1/2 or more of the total cost of the wedding. And while for purely selfish reasons I might take exception to the part about dumping the live band for a DeeJay <smile>, the engraved wine-bottle stoppers as party favors and the watermelon sculptures at the rehearsal picnic do seem to be a bit of an extravagance, but then again, to each his/her own!  It’s what makes each wedding unique. — Steve Kimbell – Trumpet / Business Manager Oracle Band – Variety Music For All Ages "I ain’t here on business, I’m only here for fun" – Springsteen

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    Hello everyone…long time to see! I haven’t been around much the last year or so, but still keep up with the various happenings here on my favorite newsgroup from time to time.  There sure are a lot of new faces! I thought some of you all might be interested in an article from last Sunday’s Washington Post on the wedding industry, the effect the recession has had upon it, and what brides and grooms are doing about it. Rather than just pointing to a link (the Post only makes available past stories for two weeks and then starts charging to access the archives), I thought I’d post it in its entirety here for posterity. I’m sure many of you will be nodding in agreement at some of the points that are made.  I hope you enjoy! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> For Love And Money Amid Economic Sickness, Bridal Industry Radiates Health By Dina ElBoghdady Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, May 25, 2003; Page F01 Carrie Nixon was discouraged and overwhelmed as she and her fianc


  • Princess' New Adventures!

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  • Stupid, stupid

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    When he first hollared at me from downstairs I thought he meant it when in the back of his hand and came out the front, but it just passed through the skin on the back of his hand.  He thought it was quite cool, but he’s also working on a sleeve tattoo right now, and they’re already working on the design fr the other arm, thn going to finish of the work started on his back.  He said he didn’t even feel it at first, that it was just like a light poke on the hand. Brett T. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sometimes that can happen if the string gets hung up in the nut.  The > "playing" part of the string feels loose, because it’s not tightening — all > the strain is picked up by the nut.  Between the nut and the peg, it’s > getting tighter and tighter, and pretty soon it snaps.  Sometimes this is > caused by the tapered part of the string wedging in the nut, sometimes it’s > caused by the nut slot being too narrow (esp. when changing to a thicker > gauge string), and sometimes it’s caused by the slot not being smooth and > snagging the windings (this happens on metal nuts). > I never heard of someone being run through by a snapping string!  Man, that > had to hurt.

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    >it just passed through the >skin on the back of his hand.  He thought it was quite cool, but he’s also >working on a sleeve tattoo right now, and they’re already working on the >design fr the other arm, thn going to finish of the work started on his >back.  

    This particular piercing should work quite well in the overall scheme. Hawk

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    A guitarist friend of mine quite a few years back broke a string and it *did* get him in the eye…….painfull….and thats one of the reasons i play bass… —   ^`~`^  ( ‘ Y ‘ )    )  /        / (( | | | /)) The Man: Kristoff Lajoie – www.kristoff.4t.com

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So I was restringing the bass on Friday night, which obviously I had never > done before.  I started with the G string (heh), and everything was going > fine until I was doing the E string.  I get it strung fine and am tuning it. > The tuner says it’s at E, but it feels loose, and doesn’t sound right at > all.  So I’m tightening it, and when I get to C, I give it another crank, > and the string snaps.  Not really snapped, but unwound anyways.  Thing was > it didn’t feel like it was tight turning the peg at all.  Thankfully I > didn’t cut the old E off, but I’m an idiot nontheless.  The worst part, is > that it was the feel of the old E string that made me want to get new > strings.  I’m still a little choked at myself. > Then yesterdsy, my roomate is tuning an old Gibson copy (Harmony guitar) he > picked up, and the bottom string snapped, piercing his hand.  It went > through the back of his hand and came out about a centimeter away from where > it went in.  He’s quite happy it wasn’t his eye. > — > Brett Tennant

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    It just went through the skin on the back of his hand, piercing his skin, and it was the smallest string on a guitar, not a bass. Brett

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Seriously, is your roomate extra thin or something? That seems pretty > freakish. > One time I popped a G string on my bass and it wound around my index > finger a bit but poking in and out of my hand would have scared the > hell out of me. > — > ++Captain Tripps++ > (sig free zone)

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    Sometimes that can happen if the string gets hung up in the nut.  The "playing" part of the string feels loose, because it’s not tightening — all the strain is picked up by the nut.  Between the nut and the peg, it’s getting tighter and tighter, and pretty soon it snaps.  Sometimes this is caused by the tapered part of the string wedging in the nut, sometimes it’s caused by the nut slot being too narrow (esp. when changing to a thicker gauge string), and sometimes it’s caused by the slot not being smooth and snagging the windings (this happens on metal nuts). I never heard of someone being run through by a snapping string!  Man, that had to hurt.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So I was restringing the bass on Friday night, which obviously I had never > done before.  I started with the G string (heh), and everything was going > fine until I was doing the E string.  I get it strung fine and am tuning it. > The tuner says it’s at E, but it feels loose, and doesn’t sound right at > all.  So I’m tightening it, and when I get to C, I give it another crank, > and the string snaps.  Not really snapped, but unwound anyways.  Thing was > it didn’t feel like it was tight turning the peg at all.  Thankfully I > didn’t cut the old E off, but I’m an idiot nontheless.  The worst part, is > that it was the feel of the old E string that made me want to get new > strings.  I’m still a little choked at myself. > Then yesterdsy, my roomate is tuning an old Gibson copy (Harmony guitar) he > picked up, and the bottom string snapped, piercing his hand.  It went > through the back of his hand and came out about a centimeter away from where > it went in.  He’s quite happy it wasn’t his eye. > — > Brett Tennant

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    So I was restringing the bass on Friday night, which obviously I had never done before.  I started with the G string (heh), and everything was going fine until I was doing the E string.  I get it strung fine and am tuning it. The tuner says it’s at E, but it feels loose, and doesn’t sound right at all.  So I’m tightening it, and when I get to C, I give it another crank, and the string snaps.  Not really snapped, but unwound anyways.  Thing was it didn’t feel like it was tight turning the peg at all.  Thankfully I didn’t cut the old E off, but I’m an idiot nontheless.  The worst part, is that it was the feel of the old E string that made me want to get new strings.  I’m still a little choked at myself. Then yesterdsy, my roomate is tuning an old Gibson copy (Harmony guitar) he picked up, and the bottom string snapped, piercing his hand.  It went through the back of his hand and came out about a centimeter away from where it went in.  He’s quite happy it wasn’t his eye. — Brett Tennant

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  • More St. Thomas questions

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    1. Can you get a tattoo on the island, safely? 2. Can anyone reccomend someone to take us out on a sailboat for the afternoon? 3. How safe is it? What / where whould we stay away from? Thanks, Josh — Joshua Bernard Web Information Designer MIT Lincoln Laboratory 244 Wood Street Lexington, MA 02420 USA (781) 981-3297 http://www.ll.mit.edu

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    >1. Can you get a tattoo on the island, safely?

    I would not know, but it wouldn’t be any worse than anywhere else in the USA I would suspect. >2. Can anyone reccomend someone to take us out on a sailboat for the >afternoon?

    Lots of people to do this.  I’ve never done it, but I think Independence does daysails (but probably no information on the internet) and so do New Horizons, Winifred, "Fantasy", Nightwind and Sundance, http://st-thomas.com/sundance/ >3. How safe is it? What / where whould we stay away from?

    Don’t take valuables to the beach.  What you take should stay on your person in a waterproof pouch.    Don’t take a lot of flashy jewelry.  Use your city-wise instincts and stay away from places that make you nervous. Use a cab at night if you are downtown – don’t walk around the downtown at night. grandma Rosalie

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    I have been out on the Winifred twice, and have had a great time both times.  Six passengers max, and one time, my step-daughter and I had it to ourselves.  I don’t think that she is on island during the summer; I think that she heads to So. America for the hurricane season, but give her a try.  You will enjoy your day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->1. Can you get a tattoo on the island, safely? >I would not know, but it wouldn’t be any worse than anywhere else in the >USA I would suspect. >2. Can anyone reccomend someone to take us out on a sailboat for the >afternoon? >Lots of people to do this.  I’ve never done it, but I think Independence >does daysails (but probably no information on the internet) and so do New >Horizons, Winifred, "Fantasy", Nightwind and >Sundance, http://st-thomas.com/sundance/ >3. How safe is it? What / where whould we stay away from? >Don’t take valuables to the beach.  What you take should stay on your >person in a waterproof pouch.    Don’t take a lot of flashy jewelry.  Use >your city-wise instincts and stay away from places that make you nervous. >Use a cab at night if you are downtown – don’t walk around the downtown at >night. >grandma Rosalie

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    >2. Can anyone reccomend someone to take us out on a sailboat for the >afternoon?

    We have been out on Fantasy and had a fantastic time!  Captains are great, very laid back and Pam and Brian make the BEST rum punch.  :-) Here is a link to their site. http://home.att.net/~sail-fantasy/ We are booked again in Feb. Have fun! Oz

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    >We have been out on Fantasy and had a fantastic time!  Captains are great, >very >laid back and Pam and Brian make the BEST rum punch.  :-) >Here is a link to their site. >http://home.att.net/~sail-fantasy

    Sounds great! What’s the price, do you remember? Also,do they tale LESS than 6? What if there are only 2 ? Thanks, Tibby

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    >>2. Can anyone reccomend someone to take us out on a sailboat for the >afternoon? >We have been out on Fantasy and had a fantastic time!  Captains are great, very >laid back and Pam and Brian make the BEST rum punch.  :-) >Here is a link to their site. >http://home.att.net/~sail-fantasy/

    Fantesy, WInifred and Sundance all have the same kind of cruise – no more than 6, good food and drink, snorkeling etc.   grandma Rosalie

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    The day we went, there were only 4 passengers total. All you can do is email/call and ask.  It was $100 per person for the entire day (this includes unlimited rum punch or other drinks, as well as lunch) Well worth every penny.  In fact, I would venture to say this day was the highlight of our trip, which is why we are booked with them again. Have fun! Oz says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->We have been out on Fantasy and had a fantastic time!  Captains are great, >very >laid back and Pam and Brian make the BEST rum punch.  :-) >Here is a link to their site. >http://home.att.net/~sail-fantasy >Sounds great! What’s the price, do you remember? Also,do they tale LESS than 6? >What if there are only 2 ? >Thanks, >Tibby

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    Hey! Thanks so much for putting my name into the reply/subject! I’ve been checking for an answer and it was GREAT to be able to spot it right off! <.S> Price sounds reasonable and the trip sounds like a BLAST! Thanks again, Tibby

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  • Definition of Nicotine

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    May the bottom of RJ Reynolds be rosy red.

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    >May the bottom of RJ Reynolds be rosy red.

    Glowing like an ember?   I’ve estinguished RJR and the rest of them.  Stubbed them right out. Now I grow tulips. And kiss the rosy red bottom of blossoming morning With every day that blooms in my face. Mike

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    It is fabulous that cigarette companies are being sued and they are losing!!!!!!! R.J. Reynolds….time to buy a trailer!!!!!!

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    >It is fabulous that cigarette companies are being sued and they are >losing!!!!!!! R.J. Reynolds….time to buy a trailer!!!!!!

                            XXXI poets yeggs and thirsties since we are spanked and put to sleep by dolls let us not be continually astonished should from their actions and speeches sawdust perpetually leak rather is it between such beddings and bumpings of ourselves to be observed how in this fundamental respect the well recognised regime of childhood is reversed meantime in dreams let us investigate thoroughly each one his optima rerum first having taken care to lie upon our abdomens for greater privacy and lest punished bottoms interrupt philosophy         — e e cummings, 1926, is 5

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    Who is Linda? She does not seem to be alone in her thinking! (sending big cheers your way Linda!!!!) x-no-archive: yes Bye-Bye, "Assumption of Risk" For 40 years, Tobacco’s defense has been: a) Assumption of risk. (It-was-their-own-fault..) b) There is no risk, anyway. Amazing logic….. But in 1993, a judge produced a ruling and wrote words that changed everything, and set the world on it’s ear…. It was in a case brought by the daughter of a black man who died of lung cancer and emphysema–much as the Horton case. But with this difference. The man was not only retarded (mental age of 9), but paranoid schizophrenic. He was released from the Army for being mentally incompetent. He startedsmoking when he was in the Army, but he was totally incapable of assuming any sort of risk, nor be responsible for any decision he made in anything… But the judge’s ruling made that irrelevant. He ruled that "assumption of risk" could only be used if the consumer was using the product in a manner not intended by the manufacturer. But the victim did use the product as it was supposed to be used–he smoked it. So juries no longer have to determine whether cigarettes cause cancer, or what he knew and when he knew it, etc….but only the determination that this cancer was cigarette-induced. Further, it is not necessary for disease to occur to bring suit, but the fact that the product caused addiction leaves the manufacturer liable for a faulty product. The bottom line is: if you make a product that hurts people when they use it according as intended, you’re liable. Even more reprehensible is to addict someone into an activity that causes them more and more harm. And it is incomprehensible for the manufacturer to do so knowingly and *deliberately*…… Roadkill Here is part of the Judge Bogen’s groundbreaking decision of May 11, 1993 that generated headlines around the country: "Once again this Court is called upon to decide the standard of tort liability to which the manufacturer of cigarettes is held. The Court has considered this matter anew and concludes that cigarettes are, as a matter of law, defective and unreasonably dangerous for human consumption Cigarettes are defective because when used as intended, they cause cancer, emphysema, heart disease and other illnesses. That the result reached here imposes absolute liability on the manufacturers of cigarettes for injuries arising from the use of their products is not a departure from the doctrine of strict liability, rather the logical extension of the doctrine in the light of present day scientific and medical knowledge and the enormous burden which cigarettes place on the nation’s economy and its health care system in particular." "Cigarettes are the most lethal product which may be legally sold in this country. According to the Affidavit of Dr. David Burns, Senior Reviewer of several Surgeon General’s Reports, cigarettes kill approximately 435,000 persons annually from cancer, emphysema and heart disease. cigarettes kill more Americans each year than AIDS, automobile accidents, alcohol, fire, heroin, morphine, cocaine, suicide and homicide combined. One in four two-pack-per-day smokers will die of lung cancer. cigarettes kill 40% of the people who smoke them. The health costs associated with cigarette smoking fall upon everyone, the smoker and his family, non-smokers, insurance companies, employers, employees, physicians, hospitals, and the taxpayers who pay the bills for many of those hospitals. Everyone, that is, except the cigarette manufacturer…. " It is clear to effectuate the policy objectives underlying the doctrine of strict liability–the reduction of hazards to life and health and placing responsibility on the manufacturer for injuries caused by his defective products–cigarette manufacturers must be held liable for the deaths and disease arising from the use of their products."

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    >Who is Linda? She does not seem to be alone in her thinking! (sending big >cheers your way Linda!!!!)

    Talk about changing the subject . . . yeesh.  How did we go from number of smokers per edu level to the following?  Can anybody say non sequitur? >Bye-Bye, "Assumption of Risk"

    <snip> That assumption of risk is a funny business.  Linda mentions, or repeatedly posts mentions of two cases:  Horton v American Tobacco Co (ATC) and the Anderson Smith case, Wilks v American Tobacco Co. In the Horton case, the jury did indeed find that cigarettes caused Horton’s fatal lung cancer.  However, even though the case was tried in Mississippi, a state with arguably the most favorable stance in the country toward plaintiff’s requests for liability damages, the jury declined to award *any* damages from ATC.  The defense presented a number of witnesses who testified that Horton knew full well the risks he was incurring by continuing to smoke. So the smart lawyer began the search for the client who was incapable of ascertaining the risks of smoking, and found him in Anderson Smith, the mentally retarded paranoid schizophrenic who smoked for 45 years and died in 1986.  In a pretrial ruling the judge threw out the "assumption of risk" argument, agreeing with the plaintiff’s lawyer that cigarettes were indeed dangerous in and of themselves.  But the lawyer had been too smart for his own good.  ATC turned around and said that if they couldn’t use the assumption of risk defense (which probably wouldn’t have done them any good against the mentally retarded smoker anyway) then Smith’s mental condition could not be presented to the jury. And American Tobacco won that case, too.  Why?  Because it turned out that Smith’s death wasn’t even caused by tobacco.  Instead, it was shown that Smith died of a massive embolism, a blood clot to the heart, the final complication in a long history of complications from botched treatments for gonorrhea going back in the 30s and 40s. Pfffffffffffffffffft. And now you know … the rest of the story. Mike ps.  an interesting theory that I just came up with:  A certain poster’s use of the x-no-archive statement just might be to provide cover against an assumption of risk defense.  Perhaps?

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    posted: >I just question all of this and how it has been allowed to remain for sale >with such horrible consequences to the human body. No other product >is allowed to do so, but cigarettes are. WHY?

    Because when all other things are taken into account, and there are many things to consider, the smoking of cigarettes is something that individuals can decide to indulge in or not, for themselves.  The decision is imbued with risks, which is why it is best deferred until adulthood, like many decisions, but just because a thing has risks … well, there is no risk free existence on the planet.  I mean, should people be allowed to build homes on fault lines, near seashores, in floodplains, or next to volcanoes?  Why can the auto makers sell cars that go 160 mph?  What’s with skydiving? I look at your question and ask:  why are any drugs or products illegal?  Are people too stupid?  I happen to think that a lot of people *are* stupid, but then I don’t think they’re too stupid to be responsible for the choices they make.  Being "stupid" doesn’t mean one is fated to make stupid choices, just that one’s choices will more than likely be limited to a close personal sphere. The problem with Linda, and a reflection of her "stupidity", or as I call it, her pin headedness, is her single minded belief that *her* choice should be everyone’s choice, and that her belief should be imposed upon everyone else.  She is the embodiment of the worst of that charicature:  the reformed smoker, with her blinders screwed down tight against all distraction and her little totalitarian tongue wagging hate in all directions. But I digress.  We *all* are doing much more damage to everything with our cars and our refrigerators (or so they say) than the few are doing with their ciggies.  We’re all gonna die.  Let people smoke themselves to death if they want to. >The answer is simple.. The Almighty Buck is more important than life.. ours >not theres.. they probalby dont smoke the shit they sell. >penny

    Last I heard, none of the members of the board of directors of Philip Morris smoke ciggies.  I don’t see how that pertains to anything, though.  If people were forcing you to smoke I would be against that, but they’re not.  The choice is entirely yours and has nothing to do with the almighty buck.  I urge you *not* to smoke, but I don’t have to tell you why, because you and most everybody else already knows why.  And rest assured, some people *want* to smoke, and always will smoke, one way or another.  I think the world is still big enough to accomodate them and all the other weirdos. Just my cents worth. Mike

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    >Just my cents worth.

    *applause* One week, two days, 22 hours, 43 minutes and 26 fnord seconds. 497 cigarettes not smoked, saving


  • the ploop! the ploop!

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    Anna, I can’t spend too long at the keyboard tonight. This is one of the most wonderful stories I’ve read since I signed on this journey here with all of you!.. Swingsets Rock! Many calming hours spent trying the ‘going over the bar’ when much younger memories conjured from reading your story here.   ;-)

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> the ploop is been made manifest!!!! > it has been built!!! > today the landlord and lady showed up with a friend and a bunch of tools > and we built it just this morning. > it was not at all what i had planned, but it ended up being probably > better, and then we get go keep the swingset as a swingset instead of a > chicken ploop. they wanted to build it without the swingset, and > smaller, but ultimately the square footage is probably just about as > much and its a nice clean sturdy design which i really like. > badly designed things make me uncomfortable. > i feel very happy about a solid, well designed, item whatever it is. so > im still plenty happy with the result. i can be flexible :-}} > doing it myself would have taken years. i would have gotten it done, but > it could have taken a very very verrrrrrrrry long time. so i was happy > for the help. and it actually is a much better design and they also had > tools like saws and hammers that were kind of useful. > i whacked my fingers a million times and even made myself bleed :-) ) > so that was exciting too. > in other news, the car got towed this morning and cost me $40. but its > at the shop, and maybe it’ll be fixed before we leave for california > which would help out a whole lot. > somehow i am continuing to function. its a freaking miracle some times > how it happens. > now im quite tired from being ‘awake’ all day building the  ploop… > pretty soon i must walk to the school to pick up my daughter. (nope, no > bus, no rides. already checked.) > praise the lord that tomorrow is saturday, and maybe i’ll be able to > sleep in. > in keeping the sleep journal, ive noticed that i go an average of 3 > hours before needing to sleep… absolute tops 6. > and then if i stayed awake for 6 hours, and then took a nap, that nap > could be hours long, and if nobody woke me, i would just keep sleeping > all night. > i would probably wake up in the morning after all that sleep, and then > be tired again and need to sleep again after only a few hours awake. > (like 3). > definitely patterns are showing up. > well thats all the news that is news from this side of the dark side of > the mooooooooon > anna > — > "man, this is crazy….. i hope i didnt brain my damage….." > -hs > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple"

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    > Welcome my friends welcome to the machine, what did ya dream? It’s > alright we told you what to dream.

    i love pink floyd, when i was 16 i tattooed the prism design on my ankle with a needle and all that. but i chickened out, cause it hurt! but its still there. not  as big as i wanted. :-) } > Congratulations on the ploop, do the chickies like it? Hope you get > plenty of sleep. It’s funny I feel the same way about poorly designed > items,

    seems great. the chicken is way spoiled and is -not- gonna like being outside but she’ll get used to it soon enough. she can still come inside certain times. right now shes trying to hatch some eggs, its not going to work, they arent even real, they are leftover easter eggs, even if they were real there is no rooster around. i dont know why she decided to ’sit’ all of a sudden. its really not going to work. i will have to ask shawnie. :-) }} takes it eeeeeeeasy….. a n n a >              `-`-. >              ’( @ > >               _) ( >              /    ) >             /_,’  / >                / >     ===m""m=== > For email replies remove the **** from my addy > Web page at www.robertpo.com

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    >well thats all the news that is news from this side of the dark side of >the mooooooooon >anna

    Welcome my friends welcome to the machine, what did ya dream? It’s alright we told you what to dream. Congratulations on the ploop, do the chickies like it? Hope you get plenty of sleep. It’s funny I feel the same way about poorly designed items,              `-`-.              ’( @ >               _) (              /    )             /_,’  /                /     ===m""m=== For email replies remove the **** from my addy Web page at www.robertpo.com

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    been made manifest!!!!> > it has been built!!!> > today the landlord and lady showed up with a friend and a bunch of tools> and we built it just this morning.> > it was not at all what i had planned, but it ended up being probably> better, and then we get go keep the swingset as a swingset instead of a> chicken ploop. they wanted to build it without the swingset, and> smaller, but ultimately the square footage is probably just about as> much and its a nice clean sturdy design which i really like. > > badly designed things make me uncomfortable.> > i feel very happy about a solid, well designed, item whatever it is. so> im still plenty happy with the result. i can be flexible :-}}> > doing it myself would have taken years. i would have gotten it done, but> it could have taken a very very verrrrrrrrry long time. so i was happy> for the help. and it actually is a much better design and they also had> tools like saws and hammers that were kind of useful.> > i whacked my fingers a million times and even made myself bleed :-) ) > > so that was exciting too.Congratulations! Doesn’t it feel good to build something with your own hands? My father & father-in-law always came & took over whatever project I was working on. I may not do it the way they would but I get it done.> > in other news, the car got towed this morning and cost me $40. but its> at the shop, and maybe it’ll be fixed before we leave for california> which would help out a whole lot.>:-(  but glad you’re feeling alittle positive about this. Where you going in CA? I live in So Cal. > somehow i am continuing to function. its a freaking miracle some times> how it happens.> > now im quite tired from being ‘awake’ all day building the ploop… > > pretty soon i must walk to the school to pick up my daughter. (nope, no> bus, no rides. already checked.) > > praise the lord that tomorrow is saturday, and maybe i’ll be able to> sleep in. > > in keeping

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    the ploop is been made manifest!!!! it has been built!!! today the landlord and lady showed up with a friend and a bunch of tools and we built it just this morning. it was not at all what i had planned, but it ended up being probably better, and then we get go keep the swingset as a swingset instead of a chicken ploop. they wanted to build it without the swingset, and smaller, but ultimately the square footage is probably just about as much and its a nice clean sturdy design which i really like. badly designed things make me uncomfortable. i feel very happy about a solid, well designed, item whatever it is. so im still plenty happy with the result. i can be flexible :-}} doing it myself would have taken years. i would have gotten it done, but it could have taken a very very verrrrrrrrry long time. so i was happy for the help. and it actually is a much better design and they also had tools like saws and hammers that were kind of useful. i whacked my fingers a million times and even made myself bleed :-) ) so that was exciting too. in other news, the car got towed this morning and cost me $40. but its at the shop, and maybe it’ll be fixed before we leave for california which would help out a whole lot. somehow i am continuing to function. its a freaking miracle some times how it happens. now im quite tired from being ‘awake’ all day building the  ploop… pretty soon i must walk to the school to pick up my daughter. (nope, no bus, no rides. already checked.) praise the lord that tomorrow is saturday, and maybe i’ll be able to sleep in. in keeping the sleep journal, ive noticed that i go an average of 3 hours before needing to sleep… absolute tops 6. and then if i stayed awake for 6 hours, and then took a nap, that nap could be hours long, and if nobody woke me, i would just keep sleeping all night. i would probably wake up in the morning after all that sleep, and then be tired again and need to sleep again after only a few hours awake. (like 3). definitely patterns are showing up. well thats all the news that is news from this side of the dark side of the mooooooooon anna — "man, this is crazy….. i hope i didnt brain my damage….." -hs "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple"

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    writes: >The teacher thinks I’m taking it too lightly.. I think she is taking it too >hard.. >thoughts anyone?

    Though she shouldn’t have taken the pen off the teacher’s desk without asking……I agree with you. The teacher is making too much out of this, imo. Is this teacher just starting out? If so, she may learn in time not to sweat the small stuff. If she’s not new, I’d tell her that she needs to find a new career, preferably one that doesn’t involve children. JMO, Josie

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    >Are you tattooed?

    Elaine, you ever gonna post yer’s? You know, the ones that you went out with Daddy to get.  To make you feel loved. > Ink on skin tends to blindsight you doesn’t it Elaine?

    – Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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    >> I don’t think any of us were displaying compulsive behaviors. >Really?  Do you have experience in classifying obsessive behaviors?

    I do. And you? > We did it > because it was there >Institutionalized people often turn to self destructive behavior, often just >because their skin is there and it’s about the only thing they can get easy >access to.

    Wow!  Now it is rather amazing that I worked in a locked mental facility with 100 beds (full).  I never saw any evidence of this, there. Now, on the *outside* I see it some, but never saw it on the inside. Perhaps you have swome first-hand experiences on the inside that you can tell us about. > some people just doodle on > their skin >An animal will chew off it’s own leg if caught in a trap.

    And Elaine will post, even if she hasn’t got a clue on the subject. — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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    yup, I have your face on my ass…. Sarah

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Are you tattooed? > > I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. > > It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive > behavior. > Ink on skin tends to blindsight you doesn’t it Elaine?  Aside from phone > number, arrows, happy faces, hand puppets and COODIE SHOTS, I can’t think > of > a single reason to doodle on your hand. > Lets see…..white out or marker on fingernails,  using a pen or marker to > draw *jewlery* on the fingers and wrists, playing ‘detective’ with finger > printing.  Inking your finger to make designs on paper….finger > painting…… > shall I go on? > Sarah

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    >If my teacher said I had to stay after, I stayed.  The teacher didn’t have >to call my house.  I got busted for trying to draw a pony, when supposed to >be studying.

    Hummm …. >The punishment was weird.  He made me stay after and draw ponies. Then he >made me show him the drawings. ?????  I still don’t get it.

    Obviously, and this applies to *so* many areas, doesn’t it. — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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    > > >I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. > >It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive behavior. > I don’t think any of us were displaying compulsive behaviors. > Really?  Do you have experience in classifying obsessive behaviors?

    Who cares?  Walk through any elementary school and you’ll see kids with drawings all over everything.  Body included.

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    If my teacher said I had to stay after, I stayed.  The teacher didn’t have to call my house.  I got busted for trying to draw a pony, when supposed to be studying. The punishment was weird.  He made me stay after and draw ponies. Then he made me show him the drawings. ?????  I still don’t get it.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am pretty blunt about these things…’ > You are the Mamma, she is the teacher.  The Mamma says to come home right > after school, then that is what your daugther should do UNLESS you are > called first and give your daughter different information to stay at school. > Sounds like her teacher has a hair up her ass.  Don’t sweat it, its just > human weirdness.  A mountain out of a molehill, if you will, in the greater > scheme of things….*S* > Sarah > Ok, I’ve got one… > hopefully I can get some feedback without too much judgement. > Here’s the deal > My daughter is 7 and a real "mind of her own child" > I am to blame for that. ;-) > I am raising her to be her own person and to be who she wants to be. > She is very outgoing and LOVES to be the focus of attention. She is a > girlie > girl. Loves pink (shudder) make-up nail polish and such. > She is also a "do before you think" type of person. > Something happened in school yesterday, and the teacher is very upset. > They have gymnastic’s on wednesday and the gym is right behind our house. > After the gym class she is free for the afternoon. So I told her to come > home straight after gym class. (school is a 3 minute walk away as well) > 12:20 (school is out at 12:15) the phone rings. The Teacher. > Suzanna was supposed to stay for detention but she "escaped" The teacher > was > real angry and told me to ask my daughter about a pen. She wouldn’t say > anymore. > My daughter comes home and  I asked her what happened. > She had been drawing on her hand (again) so the teacher took away her pen. > They were leaving the classroom to go to gym and Suzanna took a pen off of > the teachers desk to take with her. > During gymclass some other children told on her and the teacher got upset > and told her she had to stay after school. Suzanna thought I would get mad > at her for being late (I did that once when she had gone off to play with > a > friend without telling me) and so she gave the teacher the slip and ran > home. > I made my daughter sit down and think about why the teacher would be upset > and why she had "stolen"  the pen. Suzanna claims she just wanted to > borrow > the pen to decorate her hand. > I made her write a letter in which she explained what happened, why it was > wrong, promising she would not steal again and that she would try to think > better before doing stuff. She gave this letter to her teacher today. > The teacher told her to buy a new pen (she ruined the old one by drawing > on > her hand so fair enough). I could tell the teacher was still pretty angry. > I think she is making too big a deal out of it. Suzanna apologized and > promised she understood and that it wouldn’t happen again. End of story. > Everybody makes mistakes in my filosofy, and a child certainly has a right > to their share of mistakes. How else is one to learn? > The teacher thinks I’m taking it too lightly.. I think she is taking it > too > hard.. > thoughts anyone? > Becca

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    Are you tattooed?

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. > It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive > behavior. > Ink on skin tends to blindsight you doesn’t it Elaine?  Aside from phone > number, arrows, happy faces, hand puppets and COODIE SHOTS, I can’t think of > a single reason to doodle on your hand. > Lets see…..white out or marker on fingernails,  using a pen or marker to > draw *jewlery* on the fingers and wrists, playing ‘detective’ with finger > printing.  Inking your finger to make designs on paper….finger > painting…… > shall I go on? > Sarah

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    I am pretty blunt about these things…’ You are the Mamma, she is the teacher.  The Mamma says to come home right after school, then that is what your daugther should do UNLESS you are called first and give your daughter different information to stay at school. Sounds like her teacher has a hair up her ass.  Don’t sweat it, its just human weirdness.  A mountain out of a molehill, if you will, in the greater scheme of things….*S* Sarah

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, I’ve got one… > hopefully I can get some feedback without too much judgement. > Here’s the deal > My daughter is 7 and a real "mind of her own child" > I am to blame for that. ;-) > I am raising her to be her own person and to be who she wants to be. > She is very outgoing and LOVES to be the focus of attention. She is a girlie > girl. Loves pink (shudder) make-up nail polish and such. > She is also a "do before you think" type of person. > Something happened in school yesterday, and the teacher is very upset. > They have gymnastic’s on wednesday and the gym is right behind our house. > After the gym class she is free for the afternoon. So I told her to come > home straight after gym class. (school is a 3 minute walk away as well) > 12:20 (school is out at 12:15) the phone rings. The Teacher. > Suzanna was supposed to stay for detention but she "escaped" The teacher was > real angry and told me to ask my daughter about a pen. She wouldn’t say > anymore. > My daughter comes home and  I asked her what happened. > She had been drawing on her hand (again) so the teacher took away her pen. > They were leaving the classroom to go to gym and Suzanna took a pen off of > the teachers desk to take with her. > During gymclass some other children told on her and the teacher got upset > and told her she had to stay after school. Suzanna thought I would get mad > at her for being late (I did that once when she had gone off to play with a > friend without telling me) and so she gave the teacher the slip and ran > home. > I made my daughter sit down and think about why the teacher would be upset > and why she had "stolen"  the pen. Suzanna claims she just wanted to borrow > the pen to decorate her hand. > I made her write a letter in which she explained what happened, why it was > wrong, promising she would not steal again and that she would try to think > better before doing stuff. She gave this letter to her teacher today. > The teacher told her to buy a new pen (she ruined the old one by drawing on > her hand so fair enough). I could tell the teacher was still pretty angry. > I think she is making too big a deal out of it. Suzanna apologized and > promised she understood and that it wouldn’t happen again. End of story. > Everybody makes mistakes in my filosofy, and a child certainly has a right > to their share of mistakes. How else is one to learn? > The teacher thinks I’m taking it too lightly.. I think she is taking it too > hard.. > thoughts anyone? > Becca

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    >>I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. >It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive behavior. >because it was there — because at one point, we figured out that we *could* >draw on our skin (hey, some people get tattoos,

    Oh, don’t get her started on tattoos! She calls them "trashy" and says the same about people who get them. — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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    >Ok, I’ve got one… >hopefully I can get some feedback without too much judgement.

    Just what newsgroup do you think this is?!! >I think she is making too big a deal out of it. Suzanna apologized and >promised she understood and that it wouldn’t happen again. End of story. >Everybody makes mistakes in my filosofy, and a child certainly has a right >to their share of mistakes. How else is one to learn? >The teacher thinks I’m taking it too lightly.. I think she is taking it too >hard.. >thoughts anyone?

    I think that you are correct. I agree with all of the other responses that I have seen, here, as well …. except for Elaine’s, of course. — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. > It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive > behavior. > Perhaps it’s a distracting behavior she engages in because she doesn’t > like > her school. I frequently used to sneak a novel into class and read when > school became unbearably boring. Another time, I found a beautiful marble. > It looked like coffee with a little cream stirred in.  I could stare into > it, and totally lose myself. > Think of it as a sort of self hypnosis. I could not put the marble down. > Finally, my teacher did take it away from me. I really was having a > difficult time in that class, being very shy, and with poor study skills. > Writing on hand seems to have the same hypnotic effect on your child. > What > to do?  I suggest you buy a new pen for the teacher, have child apologize > for the inconvenience, promise not to do it again, and drop the whole > matter. > This child has a drawing "thing" She LOVES to draw and doodle.

    Kids do. Especially if they’re bored at school. God knows I was bored, and did love to draw.  I wish they gave kids the option of going to a real art school, and doing something from a young age in which they’re really interested. >Mostly on > paper but if it’s not available she’ll do it on her hands. > Also, she loves make-up and nail polish and is always "busy"  with making > herself look pretty. (or her version of it anyway *smile*) > So to her, writing on her hands is either "pretty"  or an explosion of > drawing fever with no paper available. ;-)

    This does not contradict anything I said about the hypnotic nature of her "art".

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    >I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. >It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive

    behavior. > I don’t think any of us were displaying compulsive behaviors.

    Really?  Do you have experience in classifying obsessive behaviors? > We did it > because it was there

    Institutionalized people often turn to self destructive behavior, often just because their skin is there and it’s about the only thing they can get easy access to. — because at one point, we figured out that we *could* > draw on our skin

    Ya, you *could* also pluck out your eyes, but that’s no reason to do it. (hey, some people get tattoos Yeah, particularly prisoners. They’re well known for making home made tattoos from saliva, a bic pen, and a diaper pin. > some people just doodle on > their skin

    An animal will chew off it’s own leg if caught in a trap.

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    >I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. >It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive behavior.

    Now this tops about everything! First you say that you never heard of it. Then you claim that this is an "obsessive behavior". Given that you cannot *possibly* be even slightly knowledgable about what is either typical or normal, how that heck can you presume to say such an amazing thing? >Perhaps it’s a distracting behavior she engages in because she doesn’t like >her school. I frequently used to sneak a novel into class and read when >school became unbearably boring. Another time, I found a beautiful marble. >It looked like coffee with a little cream stirred in.  I could stare into >it, and totally lose myself.

    Now *that* sounds like … nah.  Too easy. Both the things that you describe, here, and what Becca said about her daughter drawing on her hand are all pretty typical things that kids do, from time to time. >Writing on hand seems to have the same hypnotic effect on your child.  

    From what bit of information posted did you draw this little gem? >What >to do?  I suggest you buy a new pen for the teacher, have child apologize >for the inconvenience, promise not to do it again, and drop the whole >matter.

    … um … do you actually read posts or just look at the subject line, put on your witche’s hat and respond? This is what she said that she did. — Do not underestimate your abilities.  That is your boss’s job. It is your job to find ways around your boss’s roadblocks.

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    > I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. > It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive

    behavior. Ink on skin tends to blindsight you doesn’t it Elaine?  Aside from phone number, arrows, happy faces, hand puppets and COODIE SHOTS, I can’t think of a single reason to doodle on your hand. Lets see…..white out or marker on fingernails,  using a pen or marker to draw *jewlery* on the fingers and wrists, playing ‘detective’ with finger printing.  Inking your finger to make designs on paper….finger painting…… shall I go on? Sarah

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    LOL!!  I, too, remember writing on hands, jeans, sneakers, notebook covers…  Loved it as a kid, discourage(d) it as a mom.  BTW, discouraging it doesn’t =really= seem to help.  I have finally decided that, in picking my battles, this is no longer as big a problem as others…and I am currently viewing it as a form of self-expression and creativity…  ;)

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    > how could you tell? Were you there when she gave her the letter? I think that > the teacher has the right to ask for a new pen, and your daughter should have > to make up the detention (once you know where she is). > Was there another conversation between you & the teacher after the initial one? > You seem quite sure of what she thinks, and what she thinks that you think. > – Blanche

    I could tell she was still angry because I took my daughter to school this morning and handed the letter to the teacher WITH my daughter. I wanted to make sure she got it..and I wanted to see her reaction. She read the letter, grunted that she’d talk it over with my girl later on and that was it. I heard no more of it after that and Suzanna came home from school quite happy. Becca

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    > First of all…your daughter did the right thing in coming home.  If there is > ever a question between teacher and parent..the child needs to know they need to > choose the parent.  And it concerns me that the teacher was more upset about the > pen than the fact that she lost track of one of her students..especially a young > one.

    Yep my thoughts exactly. > I agree with you.  Did the teacher return the pen she ’stole’ from your > daughter?  Or was it her pen to begin with?  Just curious.  I think even you > might have gone a bit overboard. > Anyway…just MNSHO. > Maureen

    Well, at the beginning of the school year each child gets a pen (provided by the school) They are supposed to look after it for the whole year. If it is lost or damaged the child should provide a new one. The teacher took the pen away from her (as she has done before because my daughter had doodled in her workbook) She got it returned to her after a few days of using a pencil. Becca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. > It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive behavior. > Perhaps it’s a distracting behavior she engages in because she doesn’t like > her school. I frequently used to sneak a novel into class and read when > school became unbearably boring. Another time, I found a beautiful marble. > It looked like coffee with a little cream stirred in.  I could stare into > it, and totally lose myself. > Think of it as a sort of self hypnosis. I could not put the marble down. > Finally, my teacher did take it away from me. I really was having a > difficult time in that class, being very shy, and with poor study skills. > Writing on hand seems to have the same hypnotic effect on your child. What > to do?  I suggest you buy a new pen for the teacher, have child apologize > for the inconvenience, promise not to do it again, and drop the whole > matter.

    This child has a drawing "thing" She LOVES to draw and doodle. Mostly on paper but if it’s not available she’ll do it on her hands. Also, she loves make-up and nail polish and is always "busy"  with making herself look pretty. (or her version of it anyway *smile*) So to her, writing on her hands is either "pretty"  or an explosion of drawing fever with no paper available. ;-) Becca

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    I gotta say I’ve never heard of the "writing on the hand" thing before. It’s weird.  It would seem to fall into the category of obsessive behavior. Perhaps it’s a distracting behavior she engages in because she doesn’t like her school. I frequently used to sneak a novel into class and read when school became unbearably boring. Another time, I found a beautiful marble. It looked like coffee with a little cream stirred in.  I could stare into it, and totally lose myself. Think of it as a sort of self hypnosis. I could not put the marble down. Finally, my teacher did take it away from me. I really was having a difficult time in that class, being very shy, and with poor study skills. Writing on hand seems to have the same hypnotic effect on your child.  What to do?  I suggest you buy a new pen for the teacher, have child apologize for the inconvenience, promise not to do it again, and drop the whole matter.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, I’ve got one… > hopefully I can get some feedback without too much judgement. > Here’s the deal > My daughter is 7 and a real "mind of her own child" > I am to blame for that. ;-) > I am raising her to be her own person and to be who she wants to be. > She is very outgoing and LOVES to be the focus of attention. She is a girlie > girl. Loves pink (shudder) make-up nail polish and such. > She is also a "do before you think" type of person. > Something happened in school yesterday, and the teacher is very upset. > They have gymnastic’s on wednesday and the gym is right behind our house. > After the gym class she is free for the afternoon. So I told her to come > home straight after gym class. (school is a 3 minute walk away as well) > 12:20 (school is out at 12:15) the phone rings. The Teacher. > Suzanna was supposed to stay for detention but she "escaped" The teacher was > real angry and told me to ask my daughter about a pen. She wouldn’t say > anymore. > My daughter comes home and  I asked her what happened. > She had been drawing on her hand (again) so the teacher took away her pen. > They were leaving the classroom to go to gym and Suzanna took a pen off of > the teachers desk to take with her. > During gymclass some other children told on her and the teacher got upset > and told her she had to stay after school. Suzanna thought I would get mad > at her for being late (I did that once when she had gone off to play with a > friend without telling me) and so she gave the teacher the slip and ran > home. > I made my daughter sit down and think about why the teacher would be upset > and why she had "stolen"  the pen. Suzanna claims she just wanted to borrow > the pen to decorate her hand. > I made her write a letter in which she explained what happened, why it was > wrong, promising she would not steal again and that she would try to think > better before doing stuff. She gave this letter to her teacher today. > The teacher told her to buy a new pen (she ruined the old one by drawing on > her hand so fair enough). I could tell the teacher was still pretty angry. > I think she is making too big a deal out of it. Suzanna apologized and > promised she understood and that it wouldn’t happen again. End of story. > Everybody makes mistakes in my filosofy, and a child certainly has a right > to their share of mistakes. How else is one to learn? > The teacher thinks I’m taking it too lightly.. I think she is taking it too > hard.. > thoughts anyone? > Becca

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    >She gave this letter to her teacher today. >The teacher told her to buy a new pen (she ruined the old one by drawing on >her hand so fair enough). I could tell the teacher was still pretty angry.

    how could you tell? Were you there when she gave her the letter? I think that the teacher has the right to ask for a new pen, and your daughter should have to make up the detention (once you know where she is). Was there another conversation between you & the teacher after the initial one? You seem quite sure of what she thinks, and what she thinks that you think.   – Blanche

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    Becca, I’m curious…knowing that you are within walking distance of the school…and that you might tend to expect your daughter home at a certain time…did the teacher think to call you =before= the "detention" started? I’m afraid that if she didn’t, that’s a bit of a problem, in my book. I have an "impulsive" child…one needs to work on learning to work AROUND that.  One of the things one needs to do, as parent or as teacher of that type of child, is to spell things out in language that cannot be mistaken. When the teacher took your daughter’s pen (was there a warning before this happened, btw?), she needed to say something like "You’re not supposed to draw on yourself.  Since you are doing this, let me hold your pen for you so that you won’t be tempted…  I will give your pen back to you at the end of the day."  …or similar… And Maureen is right…imagine someone who teaches children at that age being more upset at a pen being missing than a child…  <tapping foot> …Diane

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    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Ok, I’ve got one… > hopefully I can get some feedback without too much judgement. > Here’s the deal > My daughter is 7 and a real "mind of her own child" > I am to blame for that. ;-) > I am raising her to be her own person and to be who she wants to be. > She is very outgoing and LOVES to be the focus of attention. She is a girlie > girl. Loves pink (shudder) make-up nail polish and such. > She is also a "do before you think" type of person. > Something happened in school yesterday, and the teacher is very upset. > They have gymnastic’s on wednesday and the gym is right behind our house. > After the gym class she is free for the afternoon. So I told her to come > home straight after gym class. (school is a 3 minute walk away as well) > 12:20 (school is out at 12:15) the phone rings. The Teacher. > Suzanna was supposed to stay for detention but she "escaped" The teacher was > real angry and told me to ask my daughter about a pen. She wouldn’t say > anymore. > My daughter comes home and  I asked her what happened. > She had been drawing on her hand (again) so the teacher took away her pen. > They were leaving the classroom to go to gym and Suzanna took a pen off of > the teachers desk to take with her. > During gymclass some other children told on her and the teacher got upset > and told her she had to stay after school. Suzanna thought I would get mad > at her for being late (I did that once when she had gone off to play with a > friend without telling me) and so she gave the teacher the slip and ran > home.

    First of all…your daughter did the right thing in coming home.  If there is ever a question between teacher and parent..the child needs to know they need to choose the parent.  And it concerns me that the teacher was more upset about the pen than the fact that she lost track of one of her students..especially a young one. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I made my daughter sit down and think about why the teacher would be upset > and why she had "stolen"  the pen. Suzanna claims she just wanted to borrow > the pen to decorate her hand. > I made her write a letter in which she explained what happened, why it was > wrong, promising she would not steal again and that she would try to think > better before doing stuff. She gave this letter to her teacher today. > The teacher told her to buy a new pen (she ruined the old one by drawing on > her hand so fair enough). I could tell the teacher was still pretty angry. > I think she is making too big a deal out of it. Suzanna apologized and > promised she understood and that it wouldn’t happen again. End of story. > Everybody makes mistakes in my filosofy, and a child certainly has a right > to their share of mistakes. How else is one to learn? > The teacher thinks I’m taking it too lightly.. I think she is taking it too > hard..

    I agree with you.  Did the teacher return the pen she ’stole’ from your daughter?  Or was it her pen to begin with?  Just curious.  I think even you might have gone a bit overboard. Anyway…just MNSHO. Maureen

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    Ok, I’ve got one… hopefully I can get some feedback without too much judgement. Here’s the deal My daughter is 7 and a real "mind of her own child" I am to blame for that. ;-) I am raising her to be her own person and to be who she wants to be. She is very outgoing and LOVES to be the focus of attention. She is a girlie girl. Loves pink (shudder) make-up nail polish and such. She is also a "do before you think" type of person. Something happened in school yesterday, and the teacher is very upset. They have gymnastic’s on wednesday and the gym is right behind our house. After the gym class she is free for the afternoon. So I told her to come home straight after gym class. (school is a 3 minute walk away as well) 12:20 (school is out at 12:15) the phone rings. The Teacher. Suzanna was supposed to stay for detention but she "escaped" The teacher was real angry and told me to ask my daughter about a pen. She wouldn’t say anymore. My daughter comes home and  I asked her what happened. She had been drawing on her hand (again) so the teacher took away her pen. They were leaving the classroom to go to gym and Suzanna took a pen off of the teachers desk to take with her. During gymclass some other children told on her and the teacher got upset and told her she had to stay after school. Suzanna thought I would get mad at her for being late (I did that once when she had gone off to play with a friend without telling me) and so she gave the teacher the slip and ran home. I made my daughter sit down and think about why the teacher would be upset and why she had "stolen"  the pen. Suzanna claims she just wanted to borrow the pen to decorate her hand. I made her write a letter in which she explained what happened, why it was wrong, promising she would not steal again and that she would try to think better before doing stuff. She gave this letter to her teacher today. The teacher told her to buy a new pen (she ruined the old one by drawing on her hand so fair enough). I could tell the teacher was still pretty angry. I think she is making too big a deal out of it. Suzanna apologized and promised she understood and that it wouldn’t happen again. End of story. Everybody makes mistakes in my filosofy, and a child certainly has a right to their share of mistakes. How else is one to learn? The teacher thinks I’m taking it too lightly.. I think she is taking it too hard.. thoughts anyone? Becca

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  • Beaches

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    Be warned that beaches are a good way for critters to get into your pond and decimate your fish population…. — Chuck Rush Pond Rushes, http://members.home.net/crush11 Anti-spam note – to reply, remove the _nojunkmail from the address. Semper ubi sub ubi. Always wear underwear.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I love the natural look of a pond with a beach effect, and irregular >treatments at the edges. Where can I find pictures? > Here’s a diagram, but not a picture > http://www.theplantplace.com/beach.htm > If one has a very strong, stable clay soil, and won’t often be climbing > out over it, then it isn’t necessary to build the edge.  Can just cut > it from the clay, and it can more easily be curved or irregular in > shape. > Just want the edge well below the lowest water level, so it isn’t > exposed when the pond is low in summer. > – Rod

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    I love the natural look of a pond with a beach effect, and irregular treatments at the edges. Where can I find pictures? Thanks so much, Charlie…with a backache from ponding today charlie at clis dot com

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    >I love the natural look of a pond with a beach effect, and irregular >treatments at the edges. Where can I find pictures?

    Here’s a diagram, but not a picture http://www.theplantplace.com/beach.htm If one has a very strong, stable clay soil, and won’t often be climbing out over it, then it isn’t necessary to build the edge.  Can just cut it from the clay, and it can more easily be curved or irregular in shape. Just want the edge well below the lowest water level, so it isn’t exposed when the pond is low in summer. – Rod

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    Be warned that beaches are a good way for critters to get into your pond and decimate your fish population…. — Chuck Rush Pond Rushes, http://members.home.net/crush11 Anti-spam note – to reply, remove the _nojunkmail from the address. Semper ubi sub ubi. Always wear underwear.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I love the natural look of a pond with a beach effect, and irregular >treatments at the edges. Where can I find pictures? > Here’s a diagram, but not a picture > http://www.theplantplace.com/beach.htm > If one has a very strong, stable clay soil, and won’t often be climbing > out over it, then it isn’t necessary to build the edge.  Can just cut > it from the clay, and it can more easily be curved or irregular in > shape. > Just want the edge well below the lowest water level, so it isn’t > exposed when the pond is low in summer. > – Rod

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    I love the natural look of a pond with a beach effect, and irregular treatments at the edges. Where can I find pictures? Thanks so much, Charlie…with a backache from ponding today charlie at clis dot com

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    >I love the natural look of a pond with a beach effect, and irregular >treatments at the edges. Where can I find pictures?

    Here’s a diagram, but not a picture http://www.theplantplace.com/beach.htm If one has a very strong, stable clay soil, and won’t often be climbing out over it, then it isn’t necessary to build the edge.  Can just cut it from the clay, and it can more easily be curved or irregular in shape. Just want the edge well below the lowest water level, so it isn’t exposed when the pond is low in summer. – Rod

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    >You need this great new product.

            I NEED this?  No, I think not.  By the way, rec.travel.carribean is not intended for commercial ads.                         Thanks,                         John Bomberger

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    Is Beaches on Turks & Caicos suitable for a single mature traveler, or is it for families? Could someone fill me in that has been…. many thanks!

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    beaches is a family resort.for a single person  try club med  in T&C.  VERY good for singles

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    Just got back from Beaches. Single shouldn’t be a problem, as there were as many couples as there were families. You’d blend right in. Have fun! Linda

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    Beaches is for everyone. I’ve been there.  Check out the website www.tropical-escapes.com

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    > Beaches is for everyone. I’ve been there.  Check out the website > www.tropical-escapes.com

    And how many single travelers were there when you were there?  When my travel agent went, there were zero single travelers booked (she checked with management).  On a recent trip to Club Med Turkoise, two single men who were staying at Beaches were coming down to Club Med, as they were the only two single people staying at Beaches. >Is Beaches on Turks & Caicos suitable for a >single mature traveler, or is it for families? >Could someone fill me in that has been…. >many thanks!

    Depends what you want, it will basically be all familes and couples. But if you just want to lay around on the beach, then it may be perfect for you. Club Med Turkoise has many more single people (of all ages), but Beaches is MUCH nicer (and much more expensive).  Beaches is much quieter and less of a party place than Club Med.  But it is easy to avoid the partying at Club Med. Steven Goodman

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    I agree Beaches is basically for families and couples but singles are allowed to stay there (many singles are not allowed in many resorts).  You asked if it was suitable for a MATURE  traveller (which it is), you didn’t specify that you were looking for a resort that caters to singles. Many single travellers are looking for peace and quiet and not a meat market atmosphere.

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    Was at Beaches Turks&Caicos in May. Had a great time – it’s a wonderful resort. There should be no *problems* for a single person there; most of the time you’ll feel very comfortable and blend right in. Of course, it’s mostly a family-oriented resort (more so than a couples resort), so I wouldn’t count on "meeting someone" while staying there if that’s your intention. But if you want to go to a nice relaxed resort on a LARGE stretch of quite beach, where everything you could want is included in the price of admission, and the food is pretty good to boot, then Beaches Turks is a very good choice.  (although I wonder how nice it will be there after Jan. 1 when they open up the new block of accomodations that’s currently being constructed….it looks like they’ll be doubling the size of the resort. At which point, I can see the grounds being rather crowded and annoying. But for the next 6 months it’s a lovely resort). -Ray

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    Best time of year to go to T & C with regards to weather???

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    We will be going there in September and I was wondering if you did any diving or snokeling.  We are both certified divers and have heard so much about Turk & Caicos.  If you did either, what was you experience? The other thing that I was wondering about, I heard that the men needed to wear long pants in all of the restaurants at dinnertime.  Is this so? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Was at Beaches Turks&Caicos in May. Had a great time – it’s a wonderful resort. > There should be no *problems* for a single person there; most of the time > you’ll feel very comfortable and blend right in. Of course, it’s mostly a > family-oriented resort (more so than a couples resort), so I wouldn’t count on > "meeting someone" while staying there if that’s your intention. But if you want > to go to a nice relaxed resort on a LARGE stretch of quite beach, where > everything you could want is included in the price of admission, and the food > is pretty good to boot, then Beaches Turks is a very good choice. (although I > wonder how nice it will be there after Jan. 1 when they open up the new block > of accomodations that’s currently being constructed….it looks like they’ll be > doubling the size of the resort. At which point, I can see the grounds being > rather crowded and annoying. But for the next 6 months it’s a lovely resort). > -Ray

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    >We will be going there in September and I was wondering if you did any >diving or snokeling.  We are both certified divers and have heard so >much about Turk & Caicos.  If you did either, what was you experience? >We did a lot of snorkeling.  We found the snorkeling to be very good.  I

    ranked the snorkeling abount the same as the Caymans.  We especially liked Smith’s Reef and The Cut.  We saw tutles, rays, nurse sharks and some very large baricuda.  The coral was also good.   The dive boat goes out twice a day.  There was a couple days that it did not go out because of windy conditions. My husband did not wear long pants once.  Just dressy shorts.  They may request in Sapodillos,  that was one place we did not eat at.  Don’t miss the Farewell Buffet on Sat. evening.  Large shrimp,  crab legs, roast beef, ect.  Very good.  Enjoy your trip!

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    >We will be going there in September and I was wondering if you did any >diving or snokeling.  We are both certified divers and have heard so >much about Turk & Caicos.  If you did either, what was you experience? >The other thing that I was wondering about, I heard that the men needed >to wear long pants in all of the restaurants at dinnertime.  Is this so?

    Did snorkeling every day. Beaches has a snorkel boat that goes out 4 times a day to different places around the reef. The snorkeling is fine; not the best I’ve seen, but far from he worst. Never went diving, but heard it was pretty good (Beaches runs a daily dive boat as well). Long pants at dinner? No. There’s 5 restaurants. 1 of them "requests" long pants and collared shirts (ie – 95% of the people honor the request, but if you insist on wearing shorts, they’re not likely to turn you away since you are a paid guest at the resort). At the other 4 restaurants, shorts are just fine. Bring one pair of Dockers and a golf shirt. The rest of your packed clothes can be t-shirts and shorts.  :-) btw, if you want to see a few pictures from around the island, I have some posted at http://mars.superlink.net/rwilmott/slide.html.  (just remember though…it was cloudy when we were there for most of the week)  :-(

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  • GWEN NEEDS HELP was OT: this made me smile

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    Hi Adrienne, How encouraging this message was. You know I just might have to consider these options. Austin is a very rich town/city. Many millionaires and lots of people with more money than they know what to do with. I would love to start my own "doggie daycare" business but I haven’t a clue how to go about getting a loan so I could make my property workable for such a thing. Also sort of want to start a "doggie wash" business in which it is self service. You supply the tub, high power water and blow dryer and all the shampoos, brushes etc for the owners to use. I have heard many people in California that love this service. As you know I am an animal lover, particularly dogs, well parrots as well, but definately dogs. Anything to do with dogs is something I would enjoy. If only I had $10,000 I would go to this doggie training school to become a certified dog trainer, but I don’t. I do enjoy doing graphics as well, but not for some jerk-offs like I am working for. Sounds like it is time I spread my wings and flew. Fly out of this hell hole and really regain power over my life. Maybe quitting smoking has given me the confidence I need to do this. I really appreciate your message and everyone elses. Yours in particular does seem to fit where I am at in life. So cleaning houses, walking dogs, grocery shopping for those who don’t want to or can’t stand it and so on. The idea of not all eggs in one basket is just the message I needed. Now what do you do about health insurance? I guess this is where my insecurities come out. I guess this will be something I will have to work on, but I know it too can be resolved. As soon as I get my implants come August 29, 30? I am definately outta here. You have helped so much by this message you don’t even know the half of it. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Gwen.  I don’t know how I’m missing these posts but I didn’t see the one in > which you discussed your on the job issues. > I know exactly where you are coming from.  I worked for employers for 10 years > and hated every minute of it.  Then one day I woke up, started to put on my > business suit and said "I would rather jump out the window right now than put on > this fake suit, deal with rush hour commuting, crowded trains and then a hostile > employer.  Then that was it.  I also said I would rather clean houses than do > this. > So I quit.  Was deeply in debt and there were some bills I couldn’t pay but > paying them at that time would have meant hating my life.  I did anything to make > money that didn’t involve working for an employer or going to an office (well of > course not anything).  I put out flyers for a typing business called "words on > wheels" and picked up and delivered the work on rollerblades.  Did resumes. > Started doing some more desktop publishing stuff, etc. from there.  Put signs > around for a dog walking service.  Did at home medical transcribing.  In other > words I didn’t put all my eggs in one backet.  Had many things to back each other > up. > Then I went back to school for a second degree in art and gradually moved over > into my commercial art freelance work.  I know other women that felt as you do. > One of my friends is now cleaning houses and is happier than she’s ever been. > Said it was the best thing she ever did in her life.  She makes decent money in a > short period of time and has plenty of time for her writing and her PhD.  But the > point is she’s happy. > Here is a link you might find interesting.  It’s from an Oprah show about Women > who love their Jobs. > http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/tows_past_20000616.html.  Many of them made > drastic changes such as your discussing.  Maybe some parts you’ll find > inspirational. > And don’t feel quilty for hating your job and wanting to leave.  You deserve to > be happy with what you do.  It’s not healthy to work in an envioronment such as > the one you discuss.  Your health depends on your finding something your happy > with. > Maybe you could start walking dogs on the weekend.  Or put out flyers for > resumes, etc. till you are bringing in enough from that to quit. > E-mail me publicly or privately anytime as I know all to well what your going > through.  I have faith in you.  You’ll find something better soon. > Adrienne > qof > (maybe a puff or two, maybe not)

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    Ally I am like you self taught. I do not have a degree. You are very right this makes the whole job search and marketability sooooooooooo much harder than if I just had a Bachelors Degree.:-(((( Not good at all. I really am considering cleaning houses and advertising on the side to do graphics. Maybe I by doing a few I could get word of mouth referals and in the end only be doing the graphics stuff. Of course that is a long shot. Unfortunately I am definately high in debt. Yes my fault. My parents have always been so frugal, but me, well I can’t save money no matter what. Of course one of my major money drains is my love of animals and unfortunately I just found another kitten. I have already gotten her several vaccines and stuff and I still don’t really plan on keeping her. Oh well I feel a bit better today. There was a perfect position in the Newspaper on Sunday. I am planning on sending resume for it. Maybe things do happen for a reason. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Oh Gwen I really hate this! I hate being so far away and not being able to help. Not that I’d be much help if I lived next door to you, I suppose, but I do feel even more helpless when I’m far away. > Have you got any paper qualifications for your computer skills, or are you like me, self-taught? It’s harder to persuade employers to take you on if you haven’t got those bits of paper. I guess how well you manage will depend on how good you are at selling yourself. I know I’m crap at this, so I hope you have more success than I ever had. <g> > If you lived in the UK I’d have some ideas to help, but I don’t know enough about how things work in the US to be able to suggest anything. Having said that, though, I’m sure you’ll get loads of advice from everyone else over there. > I do hope things get better soon. We’re all here sending you strength and perseverence and courage and hugs Gwen! > Ally

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    Diane, How true. Only thing is as Ally pointed out I don’t have a degree.:-(( There was an ad in Sunday’s Newspaper that would be too perfect for words. Of course that doesn’t mean I will get it but it was too perfect. The location of it is the most perfect part of all. It is just as far but going away from the city and more in the country. Same distance, less time. Same pay. In fact it is my electric company. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Heck with web development – it sounds as if you already HAVE a > lot of skills.  I’d tighten my belt a bit and invvest in someone > to help me update my resume.  Than circulate it widely.  It’s a > good time to get a new job, and the good times may not last.  You > never know, there may a perfect job out there just waiting for > you. :-) > Diane M. (who blesses he wonderful bosses every day, okay, not > publicly, I mean I don’t want them to get the idea that I’d do > this for free, even if I would if I could afford it <g>) > Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com

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    Bob, That’s the ticket. The problem is my field doesn’t pay all that well unless by chance you do fall onto something. Most of the time it is in the printing industry or such with very few vacation days, no sick days and little to no insurance. Hey but there was the MOST excellent job posting in the classifieds on Sunday. I am planning on sending resume to that one. Better route to work, still just as far, same to better pay. In a more country area, which I like much better and so on. Keep your fingers, paws, wings whatever you have crossed for me. Please. I need all the good vibes coming my way. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sorry guys but this is a real bad experience for me. > Another job? > Good luck with it all anyway. > If that’s any use. > bobf > 3m

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    Oh Gwen I really hate this! I hate being so far away and not being able to help. Not that I’d be much help if I lived next door to you, I suppose, but I do feel even more helpless when I’m far away. Have you got any paper qualifications for your computer skills, or are you like me, self-taught? It’s harder to persuade employers to take you on if you haven’t got those bits of paper. I guess how well you manage will depend on how good you are at selling yourself. I know I’m crap at this, so I hope you have more success than I ever had. <g> If you lived in the UK I’d have some ideas to help, but I don’t know enough about how things work in the US to be able to suggest anything. Having said that, though, I’m sure you’ll get loads of advice from everyone else over there. I do hope things get better soon. We’re all here sending you strength and perseverence and courage and hugs Gwen! Ally

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    Gwen — You poor dear.  Wish you the best in your job situation. Hang in there and Hang out here, Coleen QOF – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Jackie, > How sweet! I really just need to be able to support myself. > I working in the worst hell hole I have ever in my life > imagined. This is not my imagination and many here > at this place feel the same way. The director believes > in running things  with an iron hand. Women are treated > as though we live in Saudi or somewhere in which the > standards for women or much lower than US. I have > spoken with others and much to my dismay it isn’t just > me. Unfortunately I am in debt over my head. Yes > my own fault, do to my insane way of thinking, live > for today like there is no tomorrow. Unfortunately > this has never come about, but I keep on living this > way. Had I been frugal as I was taught to be > I could just quit today. Never commute 30+ miles > again. I would even consider cleaning houses > and being a maid just to get out of this horrible > enviroment. It is the most inhumane work enviroment > I have ever been in all my 27 years of working. Most > people would be gone. The straw that broke the camels > back was this women they fired today for no reason. I > told you guys about the other women that was recently > fired after 15 years of service. Now they fired another > one. I can’t take it anymore. I do have skills with > Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, CorelDraw, > Canvas, Scanning, touching up, editing vector files > and or bitmaps etc. I just have to be able to make > a living and not at a sweat shop. I would rather clean > peoples houses than work at a sweat shop. I am beside > myself. I don’t know what to do. It isn’t about smoking > or wanting to smoke. I don’t. Although if I thought > it would be the end tomorrow if I did I would, just so > I don’t have to deal with this anymore. Sorry guys > but this is a real bad experience for me. > Gwen > qof > ((Gwen))….I wish I could help you but I know nothing about Web > designs…but there *are* guys here who do…and I’m sure they would like to > help…. > <padders stands on her chair and shouts to the rest of the group> > Hey guys can anyone help Gwen here with her Web designs??? > please don’t crawl into any holes Gwen….if you’re getting frustrated with > your work…take a break…have a long bath and rest a little….you’ll be > surprised what a difference it makes….. > I know how you’re feeling but we need to be strong…we’re at a vulnerable > time…come on girl….we can do this together…. > Jackie… > Padders plodding on > 3m 1w …..

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    >Sorry guys but this is a real bad experience for me.

    No sure that comes over loud and clear. It sounds hideous. Welcome to Corporate Alienation. Your plight needs no more description. How can we help? We can’t. I suppose we could say something like, ‘hey Gwen, you don’t need that sort of shit’, but I think you know this already. From what you describe, the situation doesn’t look like it will get any better. Another job? Good luck with it all anyway. If that’s any use. bobf 3m

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    Heck with web development – it sounds as if you already HAVE a lot of skills.  I’d tighten my belt a bit and invvest in someone to help me update my resume.  Than circulate it widely.  It’s a good time to get a new job, and the good times may not last.  You never know, there may a perfect job out there just waiting for you. :-) Diane M. (who blesses he wonderful bosses every day, okay, not publicly, I mean I don’t want them to get the idea that I’d do this for free, even if I would if I could afford it <g>) Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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    > Have you got any paper qualifications for your computer skills, or are you like me, self-taught? It’s harder to persuade employers to take you on if you haven’t got those bits of paper.

    Actually over here they could give a flying _ _ _ _ about pieces of paper – at least in the commercial art industry.  I’m never even asked where I studied or what degrees I hold.  In fact its even considered "unprofessional" to discuss schooling (because they figure you should be beyond that) and the last thing they want to see in your portfolio is work from when you were in art school : )  They only care about my portfolio. But its only this way in the commercial art industry of course.  Everything else they’re very degree oriented. Adrienne qof (maybe a puff or two, maybe not)

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    Hi Gwen.  I don’t know how I’m missing these posts but I didn’t see the one in which you discussed your on the job issues. I know exactly where you are coming from.  I worked for employers for 10 years and hated every minute of it.  Then one day I woke up, started to put on my business suit and said "I would rather jump out the window right now than put on this fake suit, deal with rush hour commuting, crowded trains and then a hostile employer.  Then that was it.  I also said I would rather clean houses than do this. So I quit.  Was deeply in debt and there were some bills I couldn’t pay but paying them at that time would have meant hating my life.  I did anything to make money that didn’t involve working for an employer or going to an office (well of course not anything).  I put out flyers for a typing business called "words on wheels" and picked up and delivered the work on rollerblades.  Did resumes. Started doing some more desktop publishing stuff, etc. from there.  Put signs around for a dog walking service.  Did at home medical transcribing.  In other words I didn’t put all my eggs in one backet.  Had many things to back each other up. Then I went back to school for a second degree in art and gradually moved over into my commercial art freelance work.  I know other women that felt as you do. One of my friends is now cleaning houses and is happier than she’s ever been. Said it was the best thing she ever did in her life.  She makes decent money in a short period of time and has plenty of time for her writing and her PhD.  But the point is she’s happy. Here is a link you might find interesting.  It’s from an Oprah show about Women who love their Jobs. http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/tows_past_20000616.html.  Many of them made drastic changes such as your discussing.  Maybe some parts you’ll find inspirational. And don’t feel quilty for hating your job and wanting to leave.  You deserve to be happy with what you do.  It’s not healthy to work in an envioronment such as the one you discuss.  Your health depends on your finding something your happy with. Maybe you could start walking dogs on the weekend.  Or put out flyers for resumes, etc. till you are bringing in enough from that to quit. E-mail me publicly or privately anytime as I know all to well what your going through.  I have faith in you.  You’ll find something better soon. Adrienne qof (maybe a puff or two, maybe not) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Jackie, > How sweet! I really just need to be able to support myself. > I working in the worst hell hole I have ever in my life > imagined. This is not my imagination and many here > at this place feel the same way. The director believes > in running things  with an iron hand. Women are treated > as though we live in Saudi or somewhere in which the > standards for women or much lower than US. I have > spoken with others and much to my dismay it isn’t just > me. Unfortunately I am in debt over my head. Yes > my own fault, do to my insane way of thinking, live > for today like there is no tomorrow. Unfortunately > this has never come about, but I keep on living this > way. Had I been frugal as I was taught to be > I could just quit today. Never commute 30+ miles > again. I would even consider cleaning houses > and being a maid just to get out of this horrible > enviroment. It is the most inhumane work enviroment > I have ever been in all my 27 years of working. Most > people would be gone. The straw that broke the camels > back was this women they fired today for no reason. I > told you guys about the other women that was recently > fired after 15 years of service. Now they fired another > one. I can’t take it anymore. I do have skills with > Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, CorelDraw, > Canvas, Scanning, touching up, editing vector files > and or bitmaps etc. I just have to be able to make > a living and not at a sweat shop. I would rather clean > peoples houses than work at a sweat shop. I am beside > myself. I don’t know what to do. It isn’t about smoking > or wanting to smoke. I don’t. Although if I thought > it would be the end tomorrow if I did I would, just so > I don’t have to deal with this anymore. Sorry guys > but this is a real bad experience for me. > Gwen > qof > ((Gwen))….I wish I could help you but I know nothing about Web > designs…but there *are* guys here who do…and I’m sure they would like to > help…. > <padders stands on her chair and shouts to the rest of the group> > Hey guys can anyone help Gwen here with her Web designs??? > please don’t crawl into any holes Gwen….if you’re getting frustrated with > your work…take a break…have a long bath and rest a little….you’ll be > surprised what a difference it makes….. > I know how you’re feeling but we need to be strong…we’re at a vulnerable > time…come on girl….we can do this together…. > Jackie… > Padders plodding on > 3m 1w …..

    – Adrienne Gremlin, Bruno, Lewis, Yoko, Freneau John Muir, "Stickeen: The Story of a Dog" http://www.sierraclub.org/john_muir_exhibit/writings/stickeen/the_sto… (In memory of Pepe, Pepper, Cinder, Rascal, Tucker, Max, Hubble, Puppy and Henry Young)

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    Jackie, How sweet! I really just need to be able to support myself. I working in the worst hell hole I have ever in my life imagined. This is not my imagination and many here at this place feel the same way. The director believes in running things  with an iron hand. Women are treated as though we live in Saudi or somewhere in which the standards for women or much lower than US. I have spoken with others and much to my dismay it isn’t just me. Unfortunately I am in debt over my head. Yes my own fault, do to my insane way of thinking, live for today like there is no tomorrow. Unfortunately this has never come about, but I keep on living this way. Had I been frugal as I was taught to be I could just quit today. Never commute 30+ miles again. I would even consider cleaning houses and being a maid just to get out of this horrible enviroment. It is the most inhumane work enviroment I have ever been in all my 27 years of working. Most people would be gone. The straw that broke the camels back was this women they fired today for no reason. I told you guys about the other women that was recently fired after 15 years of service. Now they fired another one. I can’t take it anymore. I do have skills with Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, CorelDraw, Canvas, Scanning, touching up, editing vector files and or bitmaps etc. I just have to be able to make a living and not at a sweat shop. I would rather clean peoples houses than work at a sweat shop. I am beside myself. I don’t know what to do. It isn’t about smoking or wanting to smoke. I don’t. Although if I thought it would be the end tomorrow if I did I would, just so I don’t have to deal with this anymore. Sorry guys but this is a real bad experience for me. Gwen qof – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > ((Gwen))….I wish I could help you but I know nothing about Web > designs…but there *are* guys here who do…and I’m sure they would like to > help…. > <padders stands on her chair and shouts to the rest of the group> > Hey guys can anyone help Gwen here with her Web designs??? > please don’t crawl into any holes Gwen….if you’re getting frustrated with > your work…take a break…have a long bath and rest a little….you’ll be > surprised what a difference it makes….. > I know how you’re feeling but we need to be strong…we’re at a vulnerable > time…come on girl….we can do this together…. > Jackie… > Padders plodding on > 3m 1w …..

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    ((Gwen))….I wish I could help you but I know nothing about Web designs…but there *are* guys here who do…and I’m sure they would like to help…. <padders stands on her chair and shouts to the rest of the group> Hey guys can anyone help Gwen here with her Web designs??? please don’t crawl into any holes Gwen….if you’re getting frustrated with your work…take a break…have a long bath and rest a little….you’ll be surprised what a difference it makes….. I know how you’re feeling but we need to be strong…we’re at a vulnerable time…come on girl….we can do this together…. Jackie… Padders plodding on 3m 1w …..

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jackie, > ROFL! Thanks so much for brightening a VERY > bad and gloomy day. I wish I could crawl in a hole > somewhere. It is definately days like today that > make me want to smoke so as I MAY die sooner. > I just can’t believe how horrible this day has turned > out to be. The worst part about it, it isn’t going to > be much better until I can find another job or can > figure out how to do Web designs and graphics > on my own at home. > Gwen > The Wendy Tattoo > "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice > day!"

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    ((Gwen))….I wish I could help you but I know nothing about Web designs…but there *are* guys here who do…and I’m sure they would like to help…. <padders stands on her chair and shouts to the rest of the group> Hey guys can anyone help Gwen here with her Web designs??? please don’t crawl into any holes Gwen….if you’re getting frustrated with your work…take a break…have a long bath and rest a little….you’ll be surprised what a difference it makes….. I know how you’re feeling but we need to be strong…we’re at a vulnerable time…come on girl….we can do this together…. Jackie… Padders plodding on 3m 1w …..

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jackie, > ROFL! Thanks so much for brightening a VERY > bad and gloomy day. I wish I could crawl in a hole > somewhere. It is definately days like today that > make me want to smoke so as I MAY die sooner. > I just can’t believe how horrible this day has turned > out to be. The worst part about it, it isn’t going to > be much better until I can find another job or can > figure out how to do Web designs and graphics > on my own at home. > Gwen > The Wendy Tattoo > "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice > day!"

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    Jackie, How sweet! I really just need to be able to support myself. I working in the worst hell hole I have ever in my life imagined. This is not my imagination and many here at this place feel the same way. The director believes in running things  with an iron hand. Women are treated as though we live in Saudi or somewhere in which the standards for women or much lower than US. I have spoken with others and much to my dismay it isn’t just me. Unfortunately I am in debt over my head. Yes my own fault, do to my insane way of thinking, live for today like there is no tomorrow. Unfortunately this has never come about, but I keep on living this way. Had I been frugal as I was taught to be I could just quit today. Never commute 30+ miles again. I would even consider cleaning houses and being a maid just to get out of this horrible enviroment. It is the most inhumane work enviroment I have ever been in all my 27 years of working. Most people would be gone. The straw that broke the camels back was this women they fired today for no reason. I told you guys about the other women that was recently fired after 15 years of service. Now they fired another one. I can’t take it anymore. I do have skills with Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, CorelDraw, Canvas, Scanning, touching up, editing vector files and or bitmaps etc. I just have to be able to make a living and not at a sweat shop. I would rather clean peoples houses than work at a sweat shop. I am beside myself. I don’t know what to do. It isn’t about smoking or wanting to smoke. I don’t. Although if I thought it would be the end tomorrow if I did I would, just so I don’t have to deal with this anymore. Sorry guys but this is a real bad experience for me. Gwen qof – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > ((Gwen))….I wish I could help you but I know nothing about Web > designs…but there *are* guys here who do…and I’m sure they would like to > help…. > <padders stands on her chair and shouts to the rest of the group> > Hey guys can anyone help Gwen here with her Web designs??? > please don’t crawl into any holes Gwen….if you’re getting frustrated with > your work…take a break…have a long bath and rest a little….you’ll be > surprised what a difference it makes….. > I know how you’re feeling but we need to be strong…we’re at a vulnerable > time…come on girl….we can do this together…. > Jackie… > Padders plodding on > 3m 1w …..

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    >Sorry guys but this is a real bad experience for me.

    No sure that comes over loud and clear. It sounds hideous. Welcome to Corporate Alienation. Your plight needs no more description. How can we help? We can’t. I suppose we could say something like, ‘hey Gwen, you don’t need that sort of shit’, but I think you know this already. From what you describe, the situation doesn’t look like it will get any better. Another job? Good luck with it all anyway. If that’s any use. bobf 3m

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    Heck with web development – it sounds as if you already HAVE a lot of skills.  I’d tighten my belt a bit and invvest in someone to help me update my resume.  Than circulate it widely.  It’s a good time to get a new job, and the good times may not last.  You never know, there may a perfect job out there just waiting for you. :-) Diane M. (who blesses he wonderful bosses every day, okay, not publicly, I mean I don’t want them to get the idea that I’d do this for free, even if I would if I could afford it <g>) Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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    > Have you got any paper qualifications for your computer skills, or are you like me, self-taught? It’s harder to persuade employers to take you on if you haven’t got those bits of paper.

    Actually over here they could give a flying _ _ _ _ about pieces of paper – at least in the commercial art industry.  I’m never even asked where I studied or what degrees I hold.  In fact its even considered "unprofessional" to discuss schooling (because they figure you should be beyond that) and the last thing they want to see in your portfolio is work from when you were in art school : )  They only care about my portfolio. But its only this way in the commercial art industry of course.  Everything else they’re very degree oriented. Adrienne qof (maybe a puff or two, maybe not)

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    Hi Gwen.  I don’t know how I’m missing these posts but I didn’t see the one in which you discussed your on the job issues. I know exactly where you are coming from.  I worked for employers for 10 years and hated every minute of it.  Then one day I woke up, started to put on my business suit and said "I would rather jump out the window right now than put on this fake suit, deal with rush hour commuting, crowded trains and then a hostile employer.  Then that was it.  I also said I would rather clean houses than do this. So I quit.  Was deeply in debt and there were some bills I couldn’t pay but paying them at that time would have meant hating my life.  I did anything to make money that didn’t involve working for an employer or going to an office (well of course not anything).  I put out flyers for a typing business called "words on wheels" and picked up and delivered the work on rollerblades.  Did resumes. Started doing some more desktop publishing stuff, etc. from there.  Put signs around for a dog walking service.  Did at home medical transcribing.  In other words I didn’t put all my eggs in one backet.  Had many things to back each other up. Then I went back to school for a second degree in art and gradually moved over into my commercial art freelance work.  I know other women that felt as you do. One of my friends is now cleaning houses and is happier than she’s ever been. Said it was the best thing she ever did in her life.  She makes decent money in a short period of time and has plenty of time for her writing and her PhD.  But the point is she’s happy. Here is a link you might find interesting.  It’s from an Oprah show about Women who love their Jobs. http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/tows_past_20000616.html.  Many of them made drastic changes such as your discussing.  Maybe some parts you’ll find inspirational. And don’t feel quilty for hating your job and wanting to leave.  You deserve to be happy with what you do.  It’s not healthy to work in an envioronment such as the one you discuss.  Your health depends on your finding something your happy with. Maybe you could start walking dogs on the weekend.  Or put out flyers for resumes, etc. till you are bringing in enough from that to quit. E-mail me publicly or privately anytime as I know all to well what your going through.  I have faith in you.  You’ll find something better soon. Adrienne qof (maybe a puff or two, maybe not) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Jackie, > How sweet! I really just need to be able to support myself. > I working in the worst hell hole I have ever in my life > imagined. This is not my imagination and many here > at this place feel the same way. The director believes > in running things  with an iron hand. Women are treated > as though we live in Saudi or somewhere in which the > standards for women or much lower than US. I have > spoken with others and much to my dismay it isn’t just > me. Unfortunately I am in debt over my head. Yes > my own fault, do to my insane way of thinking, live > for today like there is no tomorrow. Unfortunately > this has never come about, but I keep on living this > way. Had I been frugal as I was taught to be > I could just quit today. Never commute 30+ miles > again. I would even consider cleaning houses > and being a maid just to get out of this horrible > enviroment. It is the most inhumane work enviroment > I have ever been in all my 27 years of working. Most > people would be gone. The straw that broke the camels > back was this women they fired today for no reason. I > told you guys about the other women that was recently > fired after 15 years of service. Now they fired another > one. I can’t take it anymore. I do have skills with > Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, CorelDraw, > Canvas, Scanning, touching up, editing vector files > and or bitmaps etc. I just have to be able to make > a living and not at a sweat shop. I would rather clean > peoples houses than work at a sweat shop. I am beside > myself. I don’t know what to do. It isn’t about smoking > or wanting to smoke. I don’t. Although if I thought > it would be the end tomorrow if I did I would, just so > I don’t have to deal with this anymore. Sorry guys > but this is a real bad experience for me. > Gwen > qof > ((Gwen))….I wish I could help you but I know nothing about Web > designs…but there *are* guys here who do…and I’m sure they would like to > help…. > <padders stands on her chair and shouts to the rest of the group> > Hey guys can anyone help Gwen here with her Web designs??? > please don’t crawl into any holes Gwen….if you’re getting frustrated with > your work…take a break…have a long bath and rest a little….you’ll be > surprised what a difference it makes….. > I know how you’re feeling but we need to be strong…we’re at a vulnerable > time…come on girl….we can do this together…. > Jackie… > Padders plodding on > 3m 1w …..

    – Adrienne Gremlin, Bruno, Lewis, Yoko, Freneau John Muir, "Stickeen: The Story of a Dog" http://www.sierraclub.org/john_muir_exhibit/writings/stickeen/the_sto… (In memory of Pepe, Pepper, Cinder, Rascal, Tucker, Max, Hubble, Puppy and Henry Young)

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    Oh Gwen I really hate this! I hate being so far away and not being able to help. Not that I’d be much help if I lived next door to you, I suppose, but I do feel even more helpless when I’m far away. Have you got any paper qualifications for your computer skills, or are you like me, self-taught? It’s harder to persuade employers to take you on if you haven’t got those bits of paper. I guess how well you manage will depend on how good you are at selling yourself. I know I’m crap at this, so I hope you have more success than I ever had. <g> If you lived in the UK I’d have some ideas to help, but I don’t know enough about how things work in the US to be able to suggest anything. Having said that, though, I’m sure you’ll get loads of advice from everyone else over there. I do hope things get better soon. We’re all here sending you strength and perseverence and courage and hugs Gwen! Ally

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    Gwen — You poor dear.  Wish you the best in your job situation. Hang in there and Hang out here, Coleen QOF – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Jackie, > How sweet! I really just need to be able to support myself. > I working in the worst hell hole I have ever in my life > imagined. This is not my imagination and many here > at this place feel the same way. The director believes > in running things  with an iron hand. Women are treated > as though we live in Saudi or somewhere in which the > standards for women or much lower than US. I have > spoken with others and much to my dismay it isn’t just > me. Unfortunately I am in debt over my head. Yes > my own fault, do to my insane way of thinking, live > for today like there is no tomorrow. Unfortunately > this has never come about, but I keep on living this > way. Had I been frugal as I was taught to be > I could just quit today. Never commute 30+ miles > again. I would even consider cleaning houses > and being a maid just to get out of this horrible > enviroment. It is the most inhumane work enviroment > I have ever been in all my 27 years of working. Most > people would be gone. The straw that broke the camels > back was this women they fired today for no reason. I > told you guys about the other women that was recently > fired after 15 years of service. Now they fired another > one. I can’t take it anymore. I do have skills with > Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, CorelDraw, > Canvas, Scanning, touching up, editing vector files > and or bitmaps etc. I just have to be able to make > a living and not at a sweat shop. I would rather clean > peoples houses than work at a sweat shop. I am beside > myself. I don’t know what to do. It isn’t about smoking > or wanting to smoke. I don’t. Although if I thought > it would be the end tomorrow if I did I would, just so > I don’t have to deal with this anymore. Sorry guys > but this is a real bad experience for me. > Gwen > qof > ((Gwen))….I wish I could help you but I know nothing about Web > designs…but there *are* guys here who do…and I’m sure they would like to > help…. > <padders stands on her chair and shouts to the rest of the group> > Hey guys can anyone help Gwen here with her Web designs??? > please don’t crawl into any holes Gwen….if you’re getting frustrated with > your work…take a break…have a long bath and rest a little….you’ll be > surprised what a difference it makes….. > I know how you’re feeling but we need to be strong…we’re at a vulnerable > time…come on girl….we can do this together…. > Jackie… > Padders plodding on > 3m 1w …..

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    Bob, That’s the ticket. The problem is my field doesn’t pay all that well unless by chance you do fall onto something. Most of the time it is in the printing industry or such with very few vacation days, no sick days and little to no insurance. Hey but there was the MOST excellent job posting in the classifieds on Sunday. I am planning on sending resume to that one. Better route to work, still just as far, same to better pay. In a more country area, which I like much better and so on. Keep your fingers, paws, wings whatever you have crossed for me. Please. I need all the good vibes coming my way. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sorry guys but this is a real bad experience for me. > Another job? > Good luck with it all anyway. > If that’s any use. > bobf > 3m

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    Ally I am like you self taught. I do not have a degree. You are very right this makes the whole job search and marketability sooooooooooo much harder than if I just had a Bachelors Degree.:-(((( Not good at all. I really am considering cleaning houses and advertising on the side to do graphics. Maybe I by doing a few I could get word of mouth referals and in the end only be doing the graphics stuff. Of course that is a long shot. Unfortunately I am definately high in debt. Yes my fault. My parents have always been so frugal, but me, well I can’t save money no matter what. Of course one of my major money drains is my love of animals and unfortunately I just found another kitten. I have already gotten her several vaccines and stuff and I still don’t really plan on keeping her. Oh well I feel a bit better today. There was a perfect position in the Newspaper on Sunday. I am planning on sending resume for it. Maybe things do happen for a reason. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Oh Gwen I really hate this! I hate being so far away and not being able to help. Not that I’d be much help if I lived next door to you, I suppose, but I do feel even more helpless when I’m far away. > Have you got any paper qualifications for your computer skills, or are you like me, self-taught? It’s harder to persuade employers to take you on if you haven’t got those bits of paper. I guess how well you manage will depend on how good you are at selling yourself. I know I’m crap at this, so I hope you have more success than I ever had. <g> > If you lived in the UK I’d have some ideas to help, but I don’t know enough about how things work in the US to be able to suggest anything. Having said that, though, I’m sure you’ll get loads of advice from everyone else over there. > I do hope things get better soon. We’re all here sending you strength and perseverence and courage and hugs Gwen! > Ally

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    Diane, How true. Only thing is as Ally pointed out I don’t have a degree.:-(( There was an ad in Sunday’s Newspaper that would be too perfect for words. Of course that doesn’t mean I will get it but it was too perfect. The location of it is the most perfect part of all. It is just as far but going away from the city and more in the country. Same distance, less time. Same pay. In fact it is my electric company. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Heck with web development – it sounds as if you already HAVE a > lot of skills.  I’d tighten my belt a bit and invvest in someone > to help me update my resume.  Than circulate it widely.  It’s a > good time to get a new job, and the good times may not last.  You > never know, there may a perfect job out there just waiting for > you. :-) > Diane M. (who blesses he wonderful bosses every day, okay, not > publicly, I mean I don’t want them to get the idea that I’d do > this for free, even if I would if I could afford it <g>) > Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com

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    Hi Adrienne, How encouraging this message was. You know I just might have to consider these options. Austin is a very rich town/city. Many millionaires and lots of people with more money than they know what to do with. I would love to start my own "doggie daycare" business but I haven’t a clue how to go about getting a loan so I could make my property workable for such a thing. Also sort of want to start a "doggie wash" business in which it is self service. You supply the tub, high power water and blow dryer and all the shampoos, brushes etc for the owners to use. I have heard many people in California that love this service. As you know I am an animal lover, particularly dogs, well parrots as well, but definately dogs. Anything to do with dogs is something I would enjoy. If only I had $10,000 I would go to this doggie training school to become a certified dog trainer, but I don’t. I do enjoy doing graphics as well, but not for some jerk-offs like I am working for. Sounds like it is time I spread my wings and flew. Fly out of this hell hole and really regain power over my life. Maybe quitting smoking has given me the confidence I need to do this. I really appreciate your message and everyone elses. Yours in particular does seem to fit where I am at in life. So cleaning houses, walking dogs, grocery shopping for those who don’t want to or can’t stand it and so on. The idea of not all eggs in one basket is just the message I needed. Now what do you do about health insurance? I guess this is where my insecurities come out. I guess this will be something I will have to work on, but I know it too can be resolved. As soon as I get my implants come August 29, 30? I am definately outta here. You have helped so much by this message you don’t even know the half of it. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Gwen.  I don’t know how I’m missing these posts but I didn’t see the one in > which you discussed your on the job issues. > I know exactly where you are coming from.  I worked for employers for 10 years > and hated every minute of it.  Then one day I woke up, started to put on my > business suit and said "I would rather jump out the window right now than put on > this fake suit, deal with rush hour commuting, crowded trains and then a hostile > employer.  Then that was it.  I also said I would rather clean houses than do > this. > So I quit.  Was deeply in debt and there were some bills I couldn’t pay but > paying them at that time would have meant hating my life.  I did anything to make > money that didn’t involve working for an employer or going to an office (well of > course not anything).  I put out flyers for a typing business called "words on > wheels" and picked up and delivered the work on rollerblades.  Did resumes. > Started doing some more desktop publishing stuff, etc. from there.  Put signs > around for a dog walking service.  Did at home medical transcribing.  In other > words I didn’t put all my eggs in one backet.  Had many things to back each other > up. > Then I went back to school for a second degree in art and gradually moved over > into my commercial art freelance work.  I know other women that felt as you do. > One of my friends is now cleaning houses and is happier than she’s ever been. > Said it was the best thing she ever did in her life.  She makes decent money in a > short period of time and has plenty of time for her writing and her PhD.  But the > point is she’s happy. > Here is a link you might find interesting.  It’s from an Oprah show about Women > who love their Jobs. > http://www.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/tows_past_20000616.html.  Many of them made > drastic changes such as your discussing.  Maybe some parts you’ll find > inspirational. > And don’t feel quilty for hating your job and wanting to leave.  You deserve to > be happy with what you do.  It’s not healthy to work in an envioronment such as > the one you discuss.  Your health depends on your finding something your happy > with. > Maybe you could start walking dogs on the weekend.  Or put out flyers for > resumes, etc. till you are bringing in enough from that to quit. > E-mail me publicly or privately anytime as I know all to well what your going > through.  I have faith in you.  You’ll find something better soon. > Adrienne > qof > (maybe a puff or two, maybe not)

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  • OT: This made me smile…

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    Hi Gwen.  Replied both privately and publicly.  Also replied publicly to the other thread Jackie started.  Your words "it is definately days like today that make me want to smoke so as I may die sooner" remind me of the morning I said "I would rather jump out the window and die than put on this ugly suit and go to an office." I feel so bad that your feeling this.  Read my reply in the other thread.  Feel better. Adrienne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Jackie, > ROFL! Thanks so much for brightening a VERY > bad and gloomy day. I wish I could crawl in a hole > somewhere. It is definately days like today that > make me want to smoke so as I MAY die sooner. > I just can’t believe how horrible this day has turned > out to be. The worst part about it, it isn’t going to > be much better until I can find another job or can > figure out how to do Web designs and graphics > on my own at home. > Gwen > The Wendy Tattoo > "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice > day!"

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    [snip] :) mmm — The Society For The Blind tried using guide-cats instead of guide-dogs for the blind. It worked fine as long as the blind person didn’t mind crouching behind a hedge for three hours, and then sprinting across the road regardless of whatever traffic was coming.

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    Okay, the joke was funny, and made me laugh, but, Marilyn, your tag line is going to lose me my job if I don’t gain control pretty quickly! Trying not to ROFLMAO!!!! Diane M. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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        Good one! I heard a different version that said ‘welcome to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, have a nice day.’      George.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Wendy Tattoo > A man was very much in love with his girlfriend, Wendy, and decided to have > her name tattooed on his penis. > However, he had the name tattooed while he was erect, so when he was limp, > all that was visible were the first and last letters, W and Y. > Shortly thereafter, they got married, and went to Jamaica for their > honeymoon.  While using the men’s room, he noticed the Jamaican next to him > also had a W and Y tattooed on HIS penis. > "Oh," he asked, "Is your girlfriend also named Wendy?" > "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice > day!"

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    Jackie, ROFL! Thanks so much for brightening a VERY bad and gloomy day. I wish I could crawl in a hole somewhere. It is definately days like today that make me want to smoke so as I MAY die sooner. I just can’t believe how horrible this day has turned out to be. The worst part about it, it isn’t going to be much better until I can find another job or can figure out how to do Web designs and graphics on my own at home. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The Wendy Tattoo > "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice > day!"

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    The Wendy Tattoo A man was very much in love with his girlfriend, Wendy, and decided to have her name tattooed on his penis. However, he had the name tattooed while he was erect, so when he was limp, all that was visible were the first and last letters, W and Y. Shortly thereafter, they got married, and went to Jamaica for their honeymoon.  While using the men’s room, he noticed the Jamaican next to him also had a W and Y tattooed on HIS penis. "Oh," he asked, "Is your girlfriend also named Wendy?" "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice day!"

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    The Wendy Tattoo A man was very much in love with his girlfriend, Wendy, and decided to have her name tattooed on his penis. However, he had the name tattooed while he was erect, so when he was limp, all that was visible were the first and last letters, W and Y. Shortly thereafter, they got married, and went to Jamaica for their honeymoon.  While using the men’s room, he noticed the Jamaican next to him also had a W and Y tattooed on HIS penis. "Oh," he asked, "Is your girlfriend also named Wendy?" "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice day!"

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    Jackie, ROFL! Thanks so much for brightening a VERY bad and gloomy day. I wish I could crawl in a hole somewhere. It is definately days like today that make me want to smoke so as I MAY die sooner. I just can’t believe how horrible this day has turned out to be. The worst part about it, it isn’t going to be much better until I can find another job or can figure out how to do Web designs and graphics on my own at home. Gwen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The Wendy Tattoo > "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice > day!"

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    [snip] :) mmm — The Society For The Blind tried using guide-cats instead of guide-dogs for the blind. It worked fine as long as the blind person didn’t mind crouching behind a hedge for three hours, and then sprinting across the road regardless of whatever traffic was coming.

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    Okay, the joke was funny, and made me laugh, but, Marilyn, your tag line is going to lose me my job if I don’t gain control pretty quickly! Trying not to ROFLMAO!!!! Diane M. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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        Good one! I heard a different version that said ‘welcome to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, have a nice day.’      George.

    – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The Wendy Tattoo > A man was very much in love with his girlfriend, Wendy, and decided to have > her name tattooed on his penis. > However, he had the name tattooed while he was erect, so when he was limp, > all that was visible were the first and last letters, W and Y. > Shortly thereafter, they got married, and went to Jamaica for their > honeymoon.  While using the men’s room, he noticed the Jamaican next to him > also had a W and Y tattooed on HIS penis. > "Oh," he asked, "Is your girlfriend also named Wendy?" > "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice > day!"

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    Hi Gwen.  Replied both privately and publicly.  Also replied publicly to the other thread Jackie started.  Your words "it is definately days like today that make me want to smoke so as I may die sooner" remind me of the morning I said "I would rather jump out the window and die than put on this ugly suit and go to an office." I feel so bad that your feeling this.  Read my reply in the other thread.  Feel better. Adrienne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Jackie, > ROFL! Thanks so much for brightening a VERY > bad and gloomy day. I wish I could crawl in a hole > somewhere. It is definately days like today that > make me want to smoke so as I MAY die sooner. > I just can’t believe how horrible this day has turned > out to be. The worst part about it, it isn’t going to > be much better until I can find another job or can > figure out how to do Web designs and graphics > on my own at home. > Gwen > The Wendy Tattoo > "No mon," replied the Jamaican, "that says "Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice > day!"

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